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return2ozma@lemmy.world to News@lemmy.world · 1 month ago

Trump Balks At Declaring War For Venezuelan Drug Cartels Strikes: ‘We’re Just Going To Kill People’

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Trump Balks At Declaring War For Venezuelan Drug Cartels Strikes: ‘We’re Just Going To Kill People’

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return2ozma@lemmy.world to News@lemmy.world · 1 month ago
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‘We're Gonna Kill Them:’ Trump Signals No Formal Declaration Of War Against Venezuelan Drug Cartels
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At least nine U.S. military strikes have been carried out against alleged drug vessels in the Caribbean since September.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Imagine if Obama said “We’re just going to kill people” in any context. I hate this shit so much.

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      To be fair…Obama did “just kill people” by the thousands.

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        Liberals like Obama because he did it while keeping a low profile so they could keep their conscious clean.

        MAGA like Trump cuz he gloats about it so they can revel in it.

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          Where the fuck did I say I liked Obama.

          • Sunforged@lemmy.ml
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            When you hear people insult liberals do you always take it personally?

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              Maybe go back to the original comment for this thread and read usernames

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                They were clearly responding to the person who instinctively jumped to defend Obama, if you look at the usernames, he was clearly not taking to you…

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                  Wasn’t even directed at anyone in particular, just stating the observation.

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                  That person absolutely wasn’t defending Obama. They were clearly calling him out, likely for his drone strikes.

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          conscience

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        Do you care to name an incident, so we can compare?

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          The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

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            Yes, I see, lots of parallels there.

            Apparently Trump is quite a fan of drone strikes too:

            There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama’s eight years in office,

            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

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              That Trump is worse does not trivialize the fact.

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                Yeah I’m not arguing with you on this just sharing information I found.

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                No, but it is telling that trump then, according to these number, killed 4x more people in 2x less time

                Both numbers suffice that either men should be in an ICC prison

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        Every US president practically has.

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          This is pretty much why the Supreme Court ruled that a president’s actions cannot be considered illegal, when performed in the name of their official capacity as president. They didn’t just give Trump the authority to violate the law…they retroactively gave it to every other president that has committed atrocities during their time in office.

          In a twisted sort of way, they were affirming what’s already considered established precedent.

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        I thought Obama had congressional approval for all his military actions.

        That’s not just killing people, it’s part of the job of being president: executing the will of the republic. What Trump is doing is very different.

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          Obama was really just piggy-backing on previous “approvals”. He was also conducting drone strikes wherever he felt like…in or out of active war scenarios. It was also all based on shadowy intelligence, and done without any due process for those he killed. All in the name of the Republic…just like how Trump is claiming his actions are.

          So…not much different.

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            Congress approved military strikes in the entire middle east region under Bush. Even if the strikes weren’t in active war zones, they were approved uses of military force. Trump has no such authority for his strikes on boats in the Pacific and Caribbean.

            I agree that the authorizations granted under Bush were bullshit and tantamount to war crimes, but the actions of the president is starkly different.

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