His gloves are the type with reinforced knuckles too. Disgusting.
And I get banned from feddit.org for pointing out Genocidesmany’s complicity. The germans are not ok.
Likewise. Feddit bans everyone pointing out the Nazism of the German government. Their agenda is pretty obvious.
feddit.org is way to toxic for some reason, it’s only extremely narrow politics posts on the feed. it’s always CDU and merz (and söder) bashing, nothing else.
really, attack the idea, not the person, otherwise the same idea comes back wearing a different face. i wish more people understood this. it doesn’t help to complain about a party or person one doesn’t like. one has to give good counter-arguments to the policies itself, only that brings discussion, insight, and progress in the world.
Its a zionist bar, that tries to be leftist politically but is not engaged in any real activism or reads any theory, or really any news other than german state news. Their activism is really only “anti-tankieism”, so the only thing they really do is punch left and invite zionists.
ACAB
ABSB (Alle Bullen sind Bastarde)
Arbeiter Bunt-Samarita Bund
Does anyone have a proper clip of this or are we just going to sit here and pretend like this explains anything?
This is the proper clip with explanation.
ITT: Anon wonders about context prior to assault. Everyone accuses anon of supporting police brutality.
Because they are supporting police brutality. Their comment and replies are dripping with the implication that they want context so they can judge the officer when the situation doesn’t need explanation at all. It’s a tried and true tactic to make bootlicking more acceptable.
Edit: See also: “We need context before we can judge the Israeli Wehrmacht for literally shooting children in the head with a sniper rifle.”
There is no context which can justify the police punching someone in the face and then walking away.
That looked personal
“Content not viewable in your region”
Thanks Keir Starmer, you authoritarian cunt
They block certain imgur videos now? Or all of imgur?
Here is a reupload on catbox: https://files.catbox.moe/bm9z9t.mp4
I think Imgur blocked the UK entirely themselves rather than comply with the online spying act
Cunt needs to get his head kicked in.
So… what the context? Why did he punch her? Why did they come back mob handed to drag her out of there? I hate videos that only start with the assault, but nothing that leads up to it.
So you just think that there are circumstances where police can punch someone in the face that isn’t actively attacking them with overwhelming force?
That’s fascist af.
A face punch should immediately be prosecuted in court & ofc the fine include a ban from law enforcement.Even in Europe that’s is an extreme for police, next to UK.
Tho water cannons on protesters of any kind has just become a staple in recent decade or so. And we just let that be the case instead of revolting.Thats kinda the point of context, isnt it?
When I was 20, I booted utter fuck out of a guy. The bouncers in the club, didnt know the context. They just saw me walk up to a dude and start punch him in the face, down him, and then start booting into his skull. I was the asshole in their view. What they didnt know, was that moments earlier that guy had stuck his hand down the back of my girlfriends jeans and tried to finger her arsehole.
Context matters.
If there was a problem, why didn’t he arrest her then? Is there an offense that is legally repaid by the cop being allowed one punch to the offenders face? I agree context matters, but there’s no context where this cops behavior is justified to me.
I dont know… because the context is missing. Am I not saying it right? God you people are fucking weird. Arguing for LESS information. Utterly fucking bizarre people.
But my question also stands: is there a circumstance where that’s acceptable, even theoretically? Why would a punch suffice and not arrest them? That’s the official legal remedy for an infraction?
You’re not looking for more information, you duplicitous shit. You’re looking for a reason to justify a Muslim woman being brutalized by the police.
No, thats just the story you need to tell yourself because youre too fucking stupid to understand rage bait when you see it. You cant argue that more information is bad, so instead you make it about me. Cos youre that fucking stupid.
You don’t know the context and can’t find a context where a police can punch someone yet here you are justifying police brutality
What is the person spat on them? What if the person had a weapon? What if, what if, what if.
The utter fucking state of all of you arguing against knowing what actually happened…
Still a literal crime (assault) for the spat-on police officer to punch the perp.
That’s why people get the huge settlements from courts (more USA than Germany tho), there just is no legal basis for such cop actions.I can’t believe that you think spitting on a police is a valid reason to punch someone. If a person has a weapon to restraint him and take his weapon
Then you arrest the person and not punch them, then let them go.
Nobody here argued for less information
“Whats the context?”
Downvotes, and personal attacks and name calling. Yeah, sure thing, buddy.
There’s a difference between the position that something can be determined unacceptable with the given context and arguing against wanting more context
That is the one thing that starts to enrage me about the fediverse; once the local hivemind decided something no amount of discussion or information is allowed. No more critical thinking even though most likely we would reach the same conclusions…
Did the hive mind really decide cops should in no context go to an individual & punch them in the face, or is that just an universal logical thought known to the majority about public servants?
The law doesn’t mandate face-punching.
If someone breaks the law, there are other prescribed procedural consequences (literal procedures in law that describe what law enforcement needs to do). Not some sadistic ronin desperado impersonating justice as they individually see fit outside the context of law.If someone is guiltily of something, "a slap on the wrist’ is a metaphor, not a literal means of dispensing justice directly by the law enforcement on the spot.
(Also reserved for those with power & who massively break the law, but that is another convo.)Without going into technicalities there’s the notion of reasonable force and proportional response and all that which is literally bound to the context of an event. But you miss my point; I’m not discussing the event depicted here specifically. I’m criticising the lack of critical thinking and openness to arguments. Reaching the conclusion that this cop mustn’t have punched that particular person for the exact context should not be taboo. We should be, in full understanding of the situation, condemning it.
Person has a bomb in a public place. Cop punches that person in the face, and takes control of the bomb. That would be one example of context in which a cop punching someone would be valid.
This is why context is important, because taking a snap shot of something is never the whole picture. If the cop is in the wrong, I want the whole picture. Not just the part you say is relevant. For example, did the cop punch anyone else before or after punching her?
But no, just “ThErE iS nO cOnTeXt!!!”
You (in that instance in your 20s) weren’t a cop on duty I assume (horrible situation tho). Neither was the bouncer. You were just four people that should present your testimony to the court.
If I go, finger a cop (non-consensually), & then step back, they still are not allowed, under no circumstances, to punch me in the face if I’m not an active threat. That is just literally the law. The excuse for the punching would be anything other than a direct consequence (bcs we do not have retaliation enshrined in law, bcs “civilised” and whatnot). They would be guilty of punching (and me guilty of fingering).
(Morally justified on their part & unimaginably horrendous on my part - just to be ultra clear.)Would the face-punching be justified?
Absolutely (and much, much more).Would it be legal?
No.“Eye for an eye” is not an anarchistic mandate, it’s a procedural event where a third party decides on face-punch distribution (“legally”).
(Not that I’m saying what op posted falls under that, that is just sadistic tendencies being allowed en masse for political goals. It’s too well documented & officially commented by govs in question to be overall misunderstood as anything but that.)Nobody is saying context doesn’t matter.
The argument is that for a law enforcement/cop to “legally punch” someone there is all the context necessary already present in the vid - the person was standing there.
Folk will ask for additional context on vids of cops punching (and even killing) someone handcuffed on the ground. Sure there is context, from breakfast food to horoscope. Still legally not allowed to punch.If a cop catches me speeding they don’t decide between (the illegal option of) two face-punches or a (legal option of a) monetary fine.
Solving violence with violence is what we seek to avoid when we want to advance civilisation.
(Again, the OPs vids imho shows only violence, not even ‘violence hoping to solve anything’.)Who I am/was, wasnt the fucking point. Jesus christ.
And yes, everyone who downvotes or argues against me, is arguing AGAINST seeing/knowing the context.
“Whoever argues against my argument is wrong” isn’t much of an argument tho.
Not even you will provide what possible context could legally excuse a face-punch by a cop to someone ‘standing there’.
Not that anyone here was arguing for less context. That is just you claiming that we said that. Context is good. Still a crime to punch someone in the face tho.
“Before we jump to any conclusions, we need to know the context in which this woman was punched by an armed and armored cop nearly twice her size.”
That’s what you sound like.
Good, I hope that is what I sound like. Because “I just saw a heavily edited video, and made my mind up on the spot” would make me sound like you. A fucking moron.
The video is intentionally cropped to drive a narrative and sow discord.
Stop justfying police brutality, it is never justified to punch people
I think punching fascists is pretty neat.
like this policeman?
I suggest you stop this line of inquiry before you embarrass yourself. No one with an ounce of self-respect or awareness has ever attempted to employ horseshoe theory reasoning with zero irony.
it is never justified to punch people
you’re either very uncreative or dumb
I don’t have the full context.
This was likely part of an illegal pro Hamas protest on October 7th. The article says police went into the crowd repeatedly in order to arrest offenders and leaders. Protestors attempted to free prisoners and set fire to a police vehicle. There were almost 200 arrests because of participation in an illegal protest, rioting, attacking police, hate speech, and incitement.
You might be able to find the full video under the hashtag #b0710 on twitter.
In Germany, police are held to a high standard because their education is comparatively rigorous. That was not crowd control or de-escalation, it was police brutality. What preceded this is not entirely relevant to the officer’s action.
Context will always matter, and no amount of “only a fascist would say that” is going to make that not true.
I mentioned nothing about fascism. I agree context matters, especially involving police escalations. But I also believe that there is a line police should not cross, especially when they train for years.
You didnt, others who agree with you did. Context matters, theres no * on that. It matters. Videos that start with the incident, but not that build up, are selling you outrage. Even if its totally what it appears to be, police brutality, we still need to see the context of WHY the police acted like that. Was it something she said? Something she did or didnt do? Was it someone else, and they made a mistake zeroing in on her? Who the fuck knows, because the video only wants to get you all rage baited and clicking.
The idea of being pissed off at me for wanting more information, is fucking weird and everything that is wrong with the internet.
I’m not pissed off, though? I just know police in Germany train for much longer than in the US and in other countries. So, even if I had context that the woman punched an officer, for example, I still think it’s police brutality for the officer to punch her.
There are more efficient ways to de-escalate or to subdue than to punch someone, especially since there were multiple officers with armor equipped.
Again, you may not be. But others sure as fuck are.
But, lets play your game. Someone spits in your face. What do you do? Someone has a weapon. What do you do? Someone grabs your dick/your girlfriends pussy. What do you do? If the answer to any of these isnt “punch them in the fucking face”, I really dont know what to tell you.
It’s literally a crime for any of those reasons to assault anyone in countries I’m at least a bit familiar with, for any cop or private citizen.
Someone who spits in you face should be persecuted.
Someone who punches someone should be prosecuted.These are the basics of law.
Otherwise it would be justified to punch a cop back in the face bcs they punched me in the face (bcs I spit in their face). It doesn’t end. The legal system is there literally to prevent that endless cycle of violence (unless in prefect anarchy with diligent participants, but nobody is arguing that here since “a cop” existing voids that theoretical case).I am not an Officer of the Law. I hold police to higher standards than I do regular people because of their training. I really don’t know what to tell you.
Are they really held to a higher standard though? Unless we see this cop face serious consequences, that’s just not true
No, they just get their sentence dismissed per default. Nothing will happen to the guy in the video, they’d rather prosecute the woman for interfering with his hand while he was at work.
The context after the punch tells you everything you need to know. If the protester had done something for which physical violence was appropriate police response, the immediate step right after the physical violence logically is detention and arrest.
Think about it, if a cop legitimately needs to say tackle somebody, tase somebody, shoot at somebody, the next thing the cop does is arrest, not walk away. It would be truly bizarre to see a cop tase a person and then casually walk away.
Same logic applies here: if the punch was called for, arrest was also called for. But this motherfucker calmly walks away.
No it doesnt. And you all need to stop making excuses the heavily edited video. If theres nothing to hide, theres no reason not to show the whole thing. Stop making excuses for rage bait.
No it doesn’t.
That’s the entirety of your counter argument. Well, my answer to that is “yes it does”. What a fantastic, fruitful exchange.
There is no answer to that question that would make it acceptable. Also you’re on c/crazyfuckingvideos, not c/videoessaysoncrazyfuckingvideos.
Riot police in Berlin was always a tad more brutal for no apparent reason. I guess that’s the ‘perk’ for protesting in the capital…
A pallet swap and you’d legit think this was something out of China.
German Nazi police Nazily punches a minority in a country with the highest voting in polls going to a Nazi party:
Lemmitor: “What are we, a bunch of Asians?!?!?!”
Lmfao good one. Seriously, though, I at least associate Nazis more with putting people in camps than “just” punching them. A punch is more vanilla oppression, so to speak.
You’re right, Germany famously doesn’t segregate children by race in schools.
“What are we, a bunch of Asians?”
Well, that was 100% a conscious decision to throw a punch at an unarmed protester…
We need to bring back and eye for an eye, he should get punched by someone with equal force that he used.
Ban police from wearing armor or bearing stopping g force, that’ll get them to be peaceful
He should get punched with someone of the same weight class disparity above him that he had to her.
Exactly this. Weight classes exist for a reason. Inertia is a thing, and smaller people have less of it to throw around. A tiny person will get their shit rocked by a big person, even if the big person is only half-assing their punches. A concussion is when the brain bounces off the inside of the skull, and someone in a higher weight class is much more likely to cause that. Look at how her head snaps back when she gets hit. Now imagine if it was someone her own size, and imagine how much less impact it would have.
itt: lemmy treating illegal protests the same as boxing matches
illegal protests
You’ve already lost the argument.
Good catch.
Aye, theres something to be said for the added weight of equipment too. Someone running into you on the street deliver so much more of a whack when they have a bag on their back.
At the very least, someone who has proven they cannot be trusted in a position of power should be removed from that position. The reason why so many people believe that ACAB is because even when cops do stuff that leaves no room for any benefit of the doubt, there are no repercussions.
I see Germany has a gang of coward pigs no fucking better than the violent sounder that plagues the US.
That’s why ACAB means ACAB
fascism in Germany? can’t be
this is actually faceism
The German police beating Gaza-protesters? That’s like their number one hobby. They would never dare treat literal neo-nazis from “Der Dritte Weg” like that.
