So, how does this affect the rapidly growing percentage of people that can’t afford a house to charge their vehicle at? Most LT rentals I’ve looked at in the last decade+ don’t offer that amenity, and I’m not aware that affordable solutions are available for said renters… 🥲
I charge at work, so for renters that is another option for covering the commute (and more). There’s so many car parks without charging (and without solar roofs)… That’s gotta change.
First, let’s actually specifically define the problem. This has nothing to do with home ownership and everything to do with specifically living in rented apartments, not rental units in general. The typical person can meet 100% of their commuting needs by plugging an EV into a regular wall outlet. Unless you’re a fringe case hypermiler, the same outlet you use to power or charge whatever device you’re accessing lemmy on can cover your commute. So let’s not blow this out of proportion and pretend it applies to everyone who rents.
We’re talking only about the portion of the population that:
Doesn’t own a home of any kind.
Doesn’t rent a single family home.
Doesn’t rent a townhouse.
Lives in an apartment without charging infrastructure.
Some searching suggests there are about 23 million apartment units in the US. So we’re really only talking about 10% of the population here. People renting other housing types may not be able to install a 240V charger in a garage, but they can literally just use any 120V outlet.
For the 10% of the population that lives in apartment units? For these folks, they can continue to do what they already do - fuel their vehicle at a paid facility. The same thing every single ICE vehicle owner does. The absolute worst case scenario for EV ownership is the that charging your EV becomes as big of a hassle as fueling up an ICE vehicle. And the more people own EVs, the more landlords have to discount their outdated apartments without EV charging capability. At some point we’ll just pass laws requiring EV charging. In most areas they already have parking minimums. The cost to add a bit of wiring is a rounding error in the cost of building a parking garage.
I appreciate the writeup, though one salient fact is that rentals rarely offer parking spaces within reach of one’s home, nevermind that they’re often communal when they do. Until the traditional act of the fill-up changes to an at-home after thought, adoption’ll continue to struggle, IMHO.
That’s why I distinguished apartments from other forms of rentals. It’s not all rental housing that’s the issue, but specifically apartment units. Someone renting a single family home can charge the EV in the garage or driveway.
The lack of dedicated/assigned/permitted parking is not restricted to apartments alone, to be clear. Hell, even houses these days seem like they’re less and less likely to have a garage, much less a driveway. 🥲
You see houses with driveways but no garages. You don’t see houses with garages but no driveways. A driveway is a prerequisite for a garage. You can’t access a garage without a driveway. And building single family houses without any offstreet parking is nearly unheard of nowadays. That was the kind of thing that happened in the streetcar suburbs early in the 20th century. But I don’t know where you’re seeing people building new houses without offstreet parking of any kind. Such houses would be unsellable in today’s market.
Nobody is building new single family homes in dense city centers; the land is too valuable for that. People build houses today in suburbs, and car commuting is the almost universal norm in those places.
Seriously, where do you get the idea that people are building tons of single family homes without off street parking? Your reply just seems completely disconnected from reality.
Here are some actual numbers. The market standard for a new single family home is a two car garage. It looks like only about 7-8% of houses are built without at least a carport, and a good number of those would still have a driveway. And that share has only been going down with time.
It’s rare that I say this, but you’re just completely and totally wrong here. If I’m being generous, maybe you’re in a different country with a radically different housing market. But where I’m at, if someone said this to me in person I would assume they had just had a stroke.
Unfortunately I cannot parse what you’re trying to say here at all. Maybe rewrite your original point and post it the way you’re intending to. It’s only a sentence or two. I can’t imagine any interpretation of your correction that would make your original point, “the lack of dedicated/assigned/permitted parking is not restricted to apartments alone” true in anything other than a trivial sense. (Obviously you could find some rare houses built without parking, but they’re the exception that proves the rule.)
The point still stands. 95%+ percent of new houses have off street parking. The lack of parking is almost almost exclusively an issue of apartments. It’s not a problem for houses. It is almost exclusively a problem for apartments alone. There’s no part off your comment that could be flipped around or read the other way that would make your original point true.
So no friend, the point certainly does not stand. It’s fallen down dead.
The actual point was that a barely non-zero number of people these days can afford to buy and therefore the vast majority rent. Ergo, charging a vehicle is challenging best, and that’s assuming one has either a dedicated parking spot at said rental or, even rarer, that the rental offers charging stations.
The point is very much stood up and unfazed by the windy expression of your momentary confusion, friend.
Apartment access to charging infrastructure is so dependent on the specific property that it’s hard to generalize across all of them. Plus, throw in the fact that some have access to chargers at work or at their regular grocery store that it’s functionally pretty similar to having access to chargers at home.
I know someone who just moved into a rented garage where their assigned spot doesn’t have any access to electricity (not even a normal outlet for level 1 charging) but where the ground floor has a public L2 charger in the same building, so that they can charge “at home” with a little bit of an added inconvenience of needing to move the car when it’s done, so that they can leave it for others.
So, how does this affect the rapidly growing percentage of people that can’t afford a house to charge their vehicle at? Most LT rentals I’ve looked at in the last decade+ don’t offer that amenity, and I’m not aware that affordable solutions are available for said renters… 🥲
I charge at work, so for renters that is another option for covering the commute (and more). There’s so many car parks without charging (and without solar roofs)… That’s gotta change.
First, let’s actually specifically define the problem. This has nothing to do with home ownership and everything to do with specifically living in rented apartments, not rental units in general. The typical person can meet 100% of their commuting needs by plugging an EV into a regular wall outlet. Unless you’re a fringe case hypermiler, the same outlet you use to power or charge whatever device you’re accessing lemmy on can cover your commute. So let’s not blow this out of proportion and pretend it applies to everyone who rents.
We’re talking only about the portion of the population that:
Some searching suggests there are about 23 million apartment units in the US. So we’re really only talking about 10% of the population here. People renting other housing types may not be able to install a 240V charger in a garage, but they can literally just use any 120V outlet.
For the 10% of the population that lives in apartment units? For these folks, they can continue to do what they already do - fuel their vehicle at a paid facility. The same thing every single ICE vehicle owner does. The absolute worst case scenario for EV ownership is the that charging your EV becomes as big of a hassle as fueling up an ICE vehicle. And the more people own EVs, the more landlords have to discount their outdated apartments without EV charging capability. At some point we’ll just pass laws requiring EV charging. In most areas they already have parking minimums. The cost to add a bit of wiring is a rounding error in the cost of building a parking garage.
I appreciate the writeup, though one salient fact is that rentals rarely offer parking spaces within reach of one’s home, nevermind that they’re often communal when they do. Until the traditional act of the fill-up changes to an at-home after thought, adoption’ll continue to struggle, IMHO.
That’s why I distinguished apartments from other forms of rentals. It’s not all rental housing that’s the issue, but specifically apartment units. Someone renting a single family home can charge the EV in the garage or driveway.
The lack of dedicated/assigned/permitted parking is not restricted to apartments alone, to be clear. Hell, even houses these days seem like they’re less and less likely to have a garage, much less a driveway. 🥲
This reply is extremely strange.
You see houses with driveways but no garages. You don’t see houses with garages but no driveways. A driveway is a prerequisite for a garage. You can’t access a garage without a driveway. And building single family houses without any offstreet parking is nearly unheard of nowadays. That was the kind of thing that happened in the streetcar suburbs early in the 20th century. But I don’t know where you’re seeing people building new houses without offstreet parking of any kind. Such houses would be unsellable in today’s market.
Nobody is building new single family homes in dense city centers; the land is too valuable for that. People build houses today in suburbs, and car commuting is the almost universal norm in those places.
Seriously, where do you get the idea that people are building tons of single family homes without off street parking? Your reply just seems completely disconnected from reality.
Here are some actual numbers. The market standard for a new single family home is a two car garage. It looks like only about 7-8% of houses are built without at least a carport, and a good number of those would still have a driveway. And that share has only been going down with time.
It’s rare that I say this, but you’re just completely and totally wrong here. If I’m being generous, maybe you’re in a different country with a radically different housing market. But where I’m at, if someone said this to me in person I would assume they had just had a stroke.
Yes, yes, I mixed up the “much less a” segment; it should’ve read the other way around, but thanks.
The point stands, friend.
Unfortunately I cannot parse what you’re trying to say here at all. Maybe rewrite your original point and post it the way you’re intending to. It’s only a sentence or two. I can’t imagine any interpretation of your correction that would make your original point, “the lack of dedicated/assigned/permitted parking is not restricted to apartments alone” true in anything other than a trivial sense. (Obviously you could find some rare houses built without parking, but they’re the exception that proves the rule.)
The point still stands. 95%+ percent of new houses have off street parking. The lack of parking is almost almost exclusively an issue of apartments. It’s not a problem for houses. It is almost exclusively a problem for apartments alone. There’s no part off your comment that could be flipped around or read the other way that would make your original point true.
So no friend, the point certainly does not stand. It’s fallen down dead.
The actual point was that a barely non-zero number of people these days can afford to buy and therefore the vast majority rent. Ergo, charging a vehicle is challenging best, and that’s assuming one has either a dedicated parking spot at said rental or, even rarer, that the rental offers charging stations.
The point is very much stood up and unfazed by the windy expression of your momentary confusion, friend.
Don’t forget to breathe, please.
Rather than trying to build things from first principles, you can just look at the studies that have already been done. This government study estimated that about 2/3 of households had access to dedicated parking spots.
Apartment access to charging infrastructure is so dependent on the specific property that it’s hard to generalize across all of them. Plus, throw in the fact that some have access to chargers at work or at their regular grocery store that it’s functionally pretty similar to having access to chargers at home.
I know someone who just moved into a rented garage where their assigned spot doesn’t have any access to electricity (not even a normal outlet for level 1 charging) but where the ground floor has a public L2 charger in the same building, so that they can charge “at home” with a little bit of an added inconvenience of needing to move the car when it’s done, so that they can leave it for others.