Eating beef (or any meat for that matter) isn’t harmful but “excessive consumption” of “industrially produced meat” is. And you shouldn’t cut out meat from your diet — our bodies need those nutrients.
Because people are selfish, stuck in their ways, and speciesist. Some are also ignorant
This might not be a “stupid” question, but it sure is a loaded and leading one that for sure isn’t in good faith. Welcome to my block list, enjoy your stay.
That’s what I thought as well. It’s disgusting when someone leads and loads up a question with people who don’t understand critical thinking sometimes.
Because not everyone agrees that it’s terrible for Earth. And even some of those that do may not consider it so terrible for Earth that it’s not worth the tastiness.
You’re wasting electricity running a computer right now, when we know that electricity generation is terrible for Earth. Why are you doing that?
I literally just called the uninformed position of “bad for the earth” out a little bit, and even have an anecdote of my positive personal experience eating meat. I get the sentiment for those who do eat meat, and get bullied just because they want to be healthy (while those who eat plants tend to have a lot of health issues, and can be overwight or obese by refined sugars, gluten, soy, seed oils and/or cow’s milk that’s GMO’d [a correlation some don’t seem to get]).
Glad to see someone’s on a similar page about it, as that’s just some sort of silly thing to me.
1 the amount of beef I eat is not a major contributer to the problem. No matter how hard I try. The actual major contributors what to distract people by telling them that they can make the difference. They can’t. 2 I don’t like plants… 3 the way the grow plants for food is also terrible for earth
Plants actually cause a lot of health problems. For example…
- Wheat and other forms of gluten happened to strip Vitamin B3, causing schizophrenia.
- Seed oils mess up your brain in ways I can’t even imagine.
- Cow’s milk is unnecessary due to the way it’s pasteurized, as unpasteurized, raw milk (goat’s milk is really fantastic for my needs) is actually good for you (which is why it’s banned in some countries).
- Soy is good at kickstarting the transgendering process, as it alters the estrogen-testosterone balance (for males, it ups estrogen, where testosterone is upped for females who eat soy a lot)
- Refined sugars actually cause a lot of issues, like diabetes (it dries up the liver), cancer (refined sugars are an excellent food source for parasites and polyps), obesity (sugar gets turned into visceral fat, and causes one to gain that), and a myriad of other issues.
Do we see why I tend to eat beef a lot, and avoid these feed ingredients whenever I eat certain plants?
You started out decent, then went off the deepend. You are connecting plants to refined sugars in the end. An apple (from a plant) has no refined sugar. No plants do. And the milk thing sounds like a conspiracy theory. They ban raw milk because if it isn’t handled correctly, it can make you sick. While this is a bit of an over reach, in most places it started long before thier was an industry to protect.
What you did was take my comment slightly out of context. Fruit doesn’t have refined sugars, though they have fructose (which is a sugar that’s unrefined). If someone eats fruit, and they’re not of the body type to do that, health problems could arise from it. What I was doing was paraphrasing from studies I’ve read on each of the things here that I’ve gone ahead and researched myself.
As for the milk thing, why do you think an Amish farmer was being railroaded for selling raw milk? That’s because raw milk, when handled properly, is fantastic for the body without the need for it to be pasteurized. That’s what he was doing, and daddy government didn’t like that one bit, so they wanted to pull a ritual on him just to ensure they get the message of “raw milk bad”. The goat’s milk cheese I eat comes from raw goat milk, and I do fine with it, in my experience. Your mileage may vary.
The major contributors only sell what people buy. They won’t stop so long as there’s money to be made. And most plants grown for food go to feed animals.
You don’t like plants because you’re a big baby.
So yeah, your arguments suck.
I have a eating disorder so most vegetables make me retch, so I kind of don’t have a choice.
Also companies do way more emissions than I ever will, yet I’m asked to stop.
I take it you’re on a carnivore diet of some sort due to your eating disorder?
Carnivore diet is a weird way to phrase it, it really depends on the consistency of the food, but I do mostly eat meat because it causes the least problems.
It tastes good and I’m a carnivore.
Carnivore is fantastic for those who need to heal from health issues. It’s expensive if you don’t know what you’re doing, but it’s worth it once you study it.
Helping heal me. Yup.
Expensive?
Turns out cheaper in my experience. Not buying all the rest of that low nutrient cruft.
I’ve been attempting to fix that as well. The biggest contributor, I think, is linoleic acid in seed oils. Once you get through that hurdle, everything else should fit into place (cutting the soy, gluten and cow’s milk if autistic, refined sugars, and of course, seed oils).
Indeed, good shortlist.
I’d like to test reintroducing cow’s milk, as not pasteurized, raw. No source here though, afaik. Tried Jersey cow’s milk once, and it was fine, tried it a second time, and it was a hard fail. Goat and sheep, meh.
Your mention of “if autistic”, has me wonder about my fairly large ghee consumption.
Actually autistic, btw.
I happened to be legitimately autistic myself (diagnosed as such). Cow’s milk and gluten will not treat someone with autism very well, gluten due to leaky gut, and cow’s milk due to how it’s structured. Goat’s milk and sheep’s milk will do very well for those with autism (I can attest to that, as I consume goat’s milk in a butter from Meyenberg I use a lot).
As for ghee, that’s also okay, as it’s just the casein (both A1 and A2, whereas the A1 is your “lactose intolerance”) stripped out. Lactose too, though, again, that’s A1 casein.
If you consider nutrient bio-availability, eating meat is order of magnitudes cheaper for the nutrition we’re getting. It’s a no-brainer if only people would give it a go.
Humans make methane too, btw, if we eat vegetables. Much, much less on carnivore in my personal experience, and I’ve not found any studies on environmental impact that even attempt to factor this in.
omnivore, but i agree
because not every country produce beef like you westerner. and not everyone eat beef everyday.
go make your government ban beef like you ban palm oil if you really care about earth.
go make your government ban beef
I would get them to end all subsidies for the beef industry if I could. Unfortunately I’m not in control of that, all I can do is bring up discussion, and I got you to comment, so I succeeded.
Simple. I like beef, so I eat beef.
eating beef is not terrible for the earth
Cigarette smokers must really baffle you too
No, they don’t. I used to smoke, nicotine is a fucking bitch of a drug, somehow I managed to quit using vaping and nicotine gum over 2 years. Beef is not an addictive chemical. You must never have experienced nicotine drug, what a naive ass comment to make.
What a loaded question.
Outside of the fact that a single cows life provides about 900 meals for humans, and the scraps left over make boots that last for a decade and also feed our cats and dogs. Plus, it’s delicious.
Imagine how many people you could feed if we would just eat what we fed the animals!
You start.
Let me know how a diet of grass works out for you, your digestive system, your immune system, and overall health.
Well I’ve been vegan for a long time and am healthier than many animal abusers, so it’s going quite well for me :)
I don’t believe you know enough animal advisors to make such a claim
Of course I can, everyone around me is eating animals ;)
that’s not abuse
Right, the systematic torture of millions of animals is absolutely not animal abuse.
Can you finish this documentary: https://watchdominion.org/ (YouTube)
Or will you keep your eyes closed?
We can’t live on hay and corn. Cows need several stomachs to do it.
Also, getting enough protein and creatine and other vitamins as a vegan is a hell of a lot of work and doesn’t taste as good.
Humans are animals, and the type of animals we are is omnivores. Not herbivores.
Humans are animals, and the type of animals we are is omnivores. Not herbivores.
Yup. Mostly better suited more leaning to the carnivore and fruitarian side of omnivore.
Man cannot live on grass.
Also, getting enough protein and creatine and other vitamins as a vegan is a hell of a lot of work and doesn’t taste as good.
I tried hard, for a decade, and never managed to fully do it, even with a lot of hemp kernels (1-4 cups) every day.
Health bouncing back since going keto-carn. Mostly beef. (Grass fed).
So simple, so easily healthy.
Contrast to the complex chemistry juggling jigsaw of trying to have a vegan diet.
Maybe blood type matters. Maybe other blood types than mine have an easier time of vegan (or at least vegetarian, or just pescetarian). Or other genetic, evolutionary, environmental factors.
Yeah so, the amount of meals is correct. But that’s about it. I mean, I can’t say about the taste, to each their own, but one kg of cow meat needs two dozen kg of grain.
That’s about as inefficient as it gets.
As for the leather, the industry doesn’t like products that last a decade, so it isn’t actually using the leather in such a way. Industrial leather boots last a year tops.
Finally, pet food is made out of discarded cuts of meat, the uglies, etc. But also lots of cereals, and vegetables.
So we could really afford eating less meat. It isn’t good for anything. Not for us, not for the other species (certainly not for the cows, that get often half assed butchered in a hasty way because of quotas and profit), and absolutely not for the ecosystem.
But I guess the taste is all that matters.
Cows are not all fed on grain. A lot of cows are ranched on land that would not be suitable for growing grain crops.
Or even land that is suitable for growing grain, but they’re kept being fed almost entirely on grass, for better quality, better health (and less cow farts, lol), rather than cost cutting nasty to bulk them up.
Well, if we’re talking pure food-production efficiency, then if the land is capable of growing grain then it’s probably better to grow grain there and feed the grain directly to humans.
But upvote anyway for responding to a year-and-a-half-old thread, this is the oldest necro response I’ve received yet on the Fediverse. :)
Well, if we’re talking pure food-production efficiency, then if the land is capable of growing grain then it’s probably better to grow grain there and feed the grain directly to humans.
Well in that case perhaps we should do just algae and worms.
Or maybe we should consider more than “pure food-production efficiency” in such a crude manner.
Perhaps we should consider nutrition and health (of those eating the food, and the environment), more than just crude bulk quantity.
Grain based diet would ruin our immune systems, and the health of the soil, without animal fertilizer.
Grain based diet would ruin our immune systems, and the health of the soil, without animal fertilizer.
And we haven’t even started on the effects of Glyphosate yet!
Whatever their food is, 1kg of beef requires 24kg of grain’s worth of energy. This is something they teach in high-school biology now. The higher the food chain, the more energy is lost. Stopping such production would be pretty beneficial to the environment, but whether we should is a complicated question.
But as I pointed out, many cattle are ranched on land that cannot grow grain. They can’t grow the sorts of crops that humans eat, only the sorts of crops that cattle eat. If cattle weren’t being ranched on those lands they wouldn’t be producing edible grain instead, or any other food that humans could eat. So the inefficiency is moot when it comes to the amount of nutrition produced, removing the cattle from that land would simply reduce the total amount of food we have available.
Sure, if you remove the cattle then wild animals could come in to replace them, but we should make sure that’s not going to result in starvation and poverty if we do that. Many areas of the world have subsistence ranching by the locals.
Interesting. However, a search says that feeding all the grass (or whatever) to cattle takes that food away from existing ecosystems in dry areas and potentially allow exotic weeds to take over land. So we probably don’t want this to expand to the point where we intrude on dry ecosystems.
It’s just a matter of land management. Many of those grassland areas used to have other large grazing animals on them, so as long as the cattle herds aren’t bigger than those old herds it should be sustainable.
You really triggered some folks 🤣
Good, discussion has gotten stale as fuck on the internet. I don’t want to see Lemmy become some censored smooth brained shit pool like Reddit.
Because we are carnivores and that’s how nature works?
The word you’re looking for is omnivores
Along with the other answers:
Because cooked cowflesh smells delicious, and there are companies out there that are willing to capitalize on that.
The bigger question is: why do people still drink cows milk? And the answer to that one is all about politics and power.
