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Do I have to buy a car to get the 600? And move to LA.
That’s almost enough to pay 1 week’s rent in a shitty loft in LA.
LA, what’s wrong with you?
More like paying men to not drive.
It seems bizarre that they even need to research this when they could simply ask Angelenos why half of us don’t take public transit.
It’s not safe.
We’ve got a massive homelessness problem in Los Angeles, and our unwillingness to house them means they’ll seek shelter. The official shelters aren’t safe either, and the homeless are just as scared as everybody else. So they go Metro.
There’s still regular thugs blasting music and looking for a fight, but they’re few and far between, and healthier public transit cultures like NYC can better deal with troublemakers organically.
It’s a symptom of the housing crisis. Everything will continue to suck until we focus on housing first. No I don’t want to hear your chalkboard argument about drug-test housing because you are objectively wrong, this has already been studied to death and housing first is the correct answer. We don’t need more studies, the idiots just need to read them. Spend a goddamn day on the street and it will be obvious.
Sincerely,
an Angeleno public transit fanaticTo the detractors, this experiment is based off one done in Australia, and it can have good results. Some may decide they actually don’t need to drive as much and start using more public transit, and others will be able to more precisely point to pain points with not using a car.
Yes, they need more transit oriented development and better transit access, but this should be able to help
Anything but subsidizing transportation directly hu?
That $120 a week for every resident should just go directly into better and free transit.
Hell I would bet most car infrastructure is subsidized at a higher amount per week per person.
I think they’re researching how big of a congestion tax they need to get a certain percentage of people to stop driving. Giving someone $600 is very similar to not taking away $600.
So incredibly stupid/wasteful. Just put a $3/gallon additional carbon tax on gasoline/diesel. use revenue to at least cut other taxes/rent reductions if property tax cuts, or give every resident a dividend cheque based on the carbon tax revenue. Car owners will adjust and traffic/smog improved, without just paying car owners with free money. FFS, there are cheaper than $600/mo cars I can use to scam for free money.
Lmao it’s a STUDY they aren’t simply paying them to not drive. Read more than the title pls.
Parking your car for so long is not without risk though.
Might need a new car battery as it will slowly drain.
Parking brakes might get stuck.
Tires might develop flat spots.
Tell me you never went on vacation without telling me you never went on vacation.
I’ve been on plenty of vacations but never one that lasted 5 weeks.
Ah yes, five weeks, the legal minimum in France 😭
The battery can be trickle charged with a $15 device if needed. Those other things are not an issue over just five weeks.
In 6 weeks? In a place that is populated specifically for its gentle climate?
You can just charge drained batteries or jump start cars and they’ll charge on their own!
You also don’t HAVE to use the parking brake if it’s on your own property and if it’s maintained at all, it won’t get stuck anyway. I’ve seen them freeze shut in the winter, but LA isn’t known for -30C winters, particularly this time of the year.
Flat spots from a few weeks of car being parked will go away in a few minutes of driving.
I’ve left cars stored for several months at a time and nothing bad has happened. Disconnected negative battery terminal so there’s no starting issues either
My message was meant for people who do not take these things into account. As there are many of them.
Also, you can definitely permanently damage your battery by letting it discharge too far. This is due to a process called hard sulfation.
It’s 5 weeks, it’s not a long time. You need to take these things into account when it’s multiple months.
Depends on your model. Some BMW, Volvo, VW and older Teslas discharge within weeks. Mostly due to their built in telematic systems and luxury systems.
The struggle is real.
No one’s stopping a car owner from starting the car during those 5 weeks.
No one is stopping a car owner from doing that, but many will forget. And they will be unpleasantly surprised and might not join such a challenge again. Hence my heads up
Sounds more like you’re discouraging people from participating.
No, why? I live in a country where traveling by public transport is the norm.
You can’t see how your comment pointing out only negatives about participating in this program is discouraging?
I’m glad you’re supportive of it. There’s ways to maintain one’s car in this program.
I was pointing out the negatives of leaving a car parked for 5 weeks. Sure you can read it differently, depending on your mindset.
All I had replied is that it is possible to maintain a car while participating in the program. So as not to discourage people from trying it if they were interested.
Glad you cleared it up that you’re supportive of the program!
That is the most backward way to reduce traffic I have ever heard of
It’s really not?
Sounds like a great way to get a free car!
Buy the car, park it in your driveway for the next six years and use the cash incentives to make your car payments!
Looks like its only a one time payment and only 2000 households. So its just a PR stunt. 2000 is enough for a news story but not enough to effect anything.
it’s not a ‘pr stunt’, it’s a research study.
This is the second phase of the program. It’s already been successful.
Building on a successful pilot in Santa Monica, Metro is expanding the One Car Challenge to all of LA County in Summer 2026. This time, we’re inviting approximately 2,000 households to participate — and for the first time, one-car households are welcome.
Except those people will tell other people how it went… For better or worse.
Maybe make your metro usable so not driving would be easier. It’s kind of impossible to get where you need to go without a car in LA
These are two separate comments.
The metro is usable.
It’s still impossible to get around LA without a car. It’s a very large spreadout city.
Not impossible. Just very difficult. Source: I lived there for several years without a car, moved close to where I worked (twice), biked and walked most of the time, some public transit when the routes lined up, had very little social life. If there was a special event across town, could use some money saved from not having a car to spring for a taxi.
More people taking transit will help put pressure on improving it.
I agree but I think it’s much easier the other way around. First improve the infrastructure, then incentivize people to use it.
I have to admit that I’m unsure how LA does it, but up in Washington the voters have to approve more funding for transit. Which is difficult if voters feel like transit doesn’t work well to begin with and then it’s an uphill battle.
Double-edged sword, I’ll admit.
That’s a chicken-egg problem.
A double-edged sword is something that could hurt as much as it helps if you’re not careful.Hah you’re right! I’ll blame it on my lack of coffee thus far this morning ;)
Should try a double-sided coffee :)
LA is a tough one for this because it’s so spread out. San Francisco has a famously amazing BART system but the city is also very tiny compared to what most people think of as “LA”.
Depending where you live and where you go, LA Metro can be useful. I use the Metro quite often, and I know the bus system is pretty expansive as well. They’ve also consistently been adding new lines and stops including a way to get to LAX via Metro. So it’s not like improvements aren’t being made.
I mean, zoning reform needs to happen before transit is a viable option. Miles and miles of low density sfhs and strip malls will never be able to be effectively served by transit because a transit system can’t possibly be efficient enough to both serve a reasonable number of people and get people where they are going in a timely fashion. Its just geometry.
Yeah, a train won’t do much without transit oriented development.
Famously amazing BART system
Haha….hahahahHahahahaHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
…you spend too much time on Internet forums and not enough time riding transit lol
… I’ve been to SF several times and used the system, it’s great. Also to add, since you enjoy being condescending, I’ve used public transport in Asia and Europe as well. So… haha?
Love that you’re holding BART up as a shining example.
For getting to anywhere in the city it’s awful. Within the city all lines share the same stops. if you want to go east-ish/west-ish either no you don’t, or you have to transfer to a bus (which is an additional fare since MUNI is a different agency).
So would it be better at getting people into the city? Again, no. To go from my school (Cal State East Bay) to 16th and mission, a place that I went to basically weekly took about 58% longer than driving (I’m bad at math, so that may be off, but 40 vs 70 minutes). Additionally, I just did a fare caluclation, and now a round trip fare for that trip is $13.50. If I drove, it’s 2 gallons of gas and the $8.50 bridge toll. While driving is slightly more expensive, the save time and “last mile” convenience usually outweighed it for me.
Oh, and the hours were super limiting on week nights (when I would go to the city).
Maybe instead of paying to take the bus, we should pay people to take the bus. You’re putting up with a lot of hassle to avoid taxing the roads with another car. Maybe you’re owed a few bucks for your community service.
Is this not the basic premise for taking fees from fines and car related registration to reinforce public transit and proper city planning?
What society isn’t invited to think about is how cars are so heavily subsidized to the point where it drains communities instead of supports them. From gas, roads, lighting, these costs are downloaded to every single person without much thought about any other option.
Yes, but it’s more a matter of scale. And most cities still charge bus fare. It costs cities 10x as much money to support one car commute as one bike commute, but you would be hard pressed to find a city that put even an equal amount of dollars into bike infrastructure as car infrastructure.
Also roads are typically paid for by new road building subsidies… Meaning more roads and no maintenance.
Or just make it free and pull the money from anti-homeless infrastructure.
but then how will we kick people when their down?!
yeah, but then the homeless would use it.
Bonus
I was just at a bus stop and no one wanted to use those awful standing benches so a guy decided to sit on top of a gas line cage instead. It’s crazy how infrastructure is somehow more ergonomic than anti homeless furniture.
Waste of fucking money. I think most people in LA already don’t want to drive. Build good public infrastructure and see the results.
Does Japan offer people money not to drive? No, they make good public infrastructure and make it expensive to own a car
You need to know the pain points before you can fix them
The focus of this really is data collection, to find out what problems exist for those people and then once you have that data you can shift the focus towards fixing the problems
So just ask people to answer survey questions. Go to some college campuses where a lot of students commute to and ask why are they paying hundreds a semester to park in a parking lot instead of taking the horrifyingly slow and inconsistent public transport.
That will only get one income level, with one group of people in it.
For good data you need DIVERSE INPUTS, which just canvassing those who already don’t have cars won’t do.
You need all kinds of people to respond, not just young people living on a handful of college campuses. There’s only one way to do that in an area where the vast majority of people have a car.
“It’s a waste of money” is a thought-terminating phrase that ruins a lot of attempts at progress. This is a drop in the bucket for a city as large as LA.
$600? That’s a joke.
If it gets people to try it, its good.
I don’t know with $120 a week that some good grocery shopping there.
Who couldn’t use $600 right now?
That’s not enough to replace the utility of a car for most people in LA.
For 5 weeks?
because it’s not ‘right now’. You either get $120 a week or the 600 after five weeks. Emergencies don’t just wait for you to have the money for them
I wouldn’t kick $120 a week out of bed, that’s for sure.
That’s literally my weekly grocery budget.
