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No that’s how gardening looks like
This is larp. If everything goes great with this little pretend garden and you spend full working days of couple of people for the whole season, you’ll get 15 moderate salads from it, tops. You’re not feeding shit with it.
That’s a hobby, not a praxis or whatever.dude I had more lettuce than I could possibly eat just from the volunteers in my 4x8 planter that I didn’t bother pulling out because I couldn’t reach the other side. beans and peas and tomatoes and asparagus and lettuce and cabbage and onions and chives and raspberries all have volume in the <100sqft I’ve given them all
yes, gardening at this scale is a hobby and won’t really save you money/time. but don’t pretend it can’t have a real impact on the source of your food.
if more people did this instead of have a manicured lawn, the rabbits in the neighbourhood would be eating good
So, what do you eat when the union votes for a strike? Copies of Das Kapital?
You eat your five tomatoes that you’ve spend 10 months growing of course. Other people will eat food that they bought with strike funds they allocated prior to a strike. They could’ve told you about those but you were too busy growing tomatoes on your driveway.
Okay, but hear me out.
Those strike funds last a lot longer if the workers know how canning their own food works. And they last even longer than that if they grew it themselves.
Gardening is literally THE proletarian “hobby”, because more often than not, you grow more than you need. Meaning you can share. Mutual aid, see?
Also, five tomatoes? I dunno what kind of under watered little vines you’ve been growing, we pulled nearly three pounds of tomatoes from our garden from just three plants. And I barely did any weeding this year. That’s enough for some damn good vodka marinara.
I lived off the land in my youth, so I know exactly what is needed to grow food. I know how much land you need to feed a family, I know how much work it is to feed a family. You can spare me with “growing more than needed” bullshit, you have more than you need because you need zero. “It’s not five tomatoes, it’s almost kilo and a half” is exactly what I’m talking about. I’m happy for you that you’re doing it, growing tomatoes is nice and fun if you’re into that sort of things, and it’s might be the only way to actually get your hands on good tomatoes this days. I, however, despise this “I’m actually a proletarian doing a mutual aid” larp, because you aren’t and you don’t. It’s insulting and performative, and if your goal is actual mutual aid, it’s actively goes against it. It’s not better or worse than any other hobby you might have.
Everyone knows real praxis isn’t leaving the house and making connections with real people on tangible projects. Gotta stay posting revolution memes and doom scrolling
Having a hobby is good, nobody is saying that. Pretending that your hobby is actually a community service is not. You’re not more or less of a people connector and community builder when you chat to your discord kittens from the basement than when you sit ass up picking weeds on your driveway cucumber patch.
Terminally online take
Nothing wrong with having a hobby. Selfgrown veggies taste much better than storebought anyway.
i wish. neighbor down road has a garden like that.
and trump flags in his yard.
anarchism never required not hating your neighbor
Go start a conversation
You can’t have a conversation with someone who is unwilling to change their stance, no matter the evidence provided in front of them.
I drive a blue car. I refuse to have a conversation with someone who tells me it’s yellow. Or that I don’t actually drive a car, but it’s actually a horse.
i tried. he then walked up to my house when i was not home and asked my wife, who also complimented his garden, “what position are you in when thinking about me and my garden?”
so … trump flag + sex pest. = he can fuck off.
Lmfao oh my God that is classic boomer trump supporters, I’m sorry that happened but shit is kinda funny. They have no fucking filter.
lol. dont disagree. he almost got pepper sprayed but yesh. he’d not learn either way.
“Damn libs turn aggressive just because you ask a simple question”
hahah right?! “can i put it in you?” “no?” “fucking libs, always ruining my boners.”
My Maga neighbor will tell you how much he hates all the Black people in the neighborhood.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to tell people to waste their time and energy on people that are not going to be saved. You can use that energy to help your own people and it is a much better use of it.
And you know I’m going to take this a step further and ask you why the fuck you assume we’re not having conversations with those people? It’s them refusing the conversation. What rock have you crawled out from under?
Remember: don’t argue with people that John Brown would’ve shot
One thing you’ll find out about a lot of MAGA-heads is that a lot of them just despise Democrats to their core and think Owning The Libs is more important than whatever the fuck Trump is actually up to.
Very common to see this kind of guy up in New York or Massachusetts or out in California, where its barely more than a protest vote against whatever D-branded ghouls - your Newsoms and Cuomos and Katherine Clarks - are currently ruling their state. My dad was a staunch environmentalist, a shameless outspoken anti-racist, and a die-hard Reaganite. I still don’t understand it to this day, but he made the math work in his own head somehow.
One thing you’ll find out about a lot of MAGA-heads is that a lot of them just despise Democrats to their core and think Owning The Libs is more important than whatever the fuck Trump is actually up to.
Owning the Libs by… checks notes creating a neighbourhood garden for friends to have free access to fresh fruits and veggies and… Wait a minute…
Reagan Democrats George Lakoff: Moral Politics https://youtu.be/5f9R9MtkpqM?t=1821
Not on the side of the road and then I’d be perfect.
Hey now - you’re great no matter where you are!
Yeah that’s a no-go. The lawn extension must be kept less than 12" tall under city ordinance, and you need a license if you’re going to sell or give away those vegetables…
Hence the anarchy.
you need a license if you’re going to sell or give away those vegetables
Wait what?
Does come with a cost?
It’s because something something business activity.
Something something taking potential profits from major chain grocery stores, and we can’t have that.
Well there is that but they also have to go through the same beruacracy (they can just afford the red tape anyways plus lobbying to convert those nice residentials to being strip malls)
What bureaucracy? It’s vegetables in a garden. Pick them, wash them, eat them. This isn’t commercial farming where you’re using pesticides, tractors, desiel emissions, manure… It’s a garden on the corner of someone’s house.
These people likely aren’t selling their stock to a global market, but rather letting their neighbours take something for dinner.
This chain was about selling said vegetables, which is a commercial activity regardless of scale
I was worried about this and called the city/township and turns out, as long as it’s cultivated, my plants can be as tall as I want!
I can’t make a fence with trelliseseses though. They were very adamant about that.
But can you make a trellis maze? Get lost in your grapes
Maybe! Just as long as it’s NOT A FENCE. I could call them again, but I think the idea of a trellis maze would upset them, and then I’d be behind the making of a new law lol.
You don’t need a license to sell vegetables only like processed foods and shit like that
No, this is some middle class bullshit.
Imagine living in america and having laws about your garden.
Buy a house not in a HOA. Problem solved. I grow stuff in my front yard every year
There are municipalities and counties that have classist lawn laws, too. In some places you either have to fight them and win or leave.
That didn’t come to mind. Where I’ve lived that’s never been a thing, the state even gave us tax credits to not have a lawn
Some places even make it illegal to collect rainwater. It’s ridiculous.
No state currently does. Very few have limits on the amount of catchment, the only one I know is Utah and the limit is 2500 gallons. Other states just say it can’t be used for potable water
I assume rainwater collection problems usually occur on the municipal or county level.
I have never heard of one. I lived in one for a while that actually encouraged rainwater collection because it helps keep stormwater systems from overflowing during storms.
Right, I had a friend who had a cop show up to their house because… their grass was too long. Absolutely unhinged.
Think you forgot that Madmax truck and some metal armoured raiders pillaging the garden and house until there’s nothing left. /jk
Disgusting! I hope to never live to see such horrific living conditions in MY America /S
Y’all’s interpretation of anarchy is not good in this thread. Has anybody read the theory!?
You will all eat VERY VERY well for about 2 weeks out of the year.
Ya gotta pickle and dehydrate. Last time I had room for a garden I got the preservation and storage down in my last season.
Buy a dehydrator, never make jerky in it, you’ll never get the smell out. Works great for beans, onions and carrots.
There’s not much besides lettuce and tomatoes you can’t pickle out of a temperate zone type garden.
I was eating well well into winter.
I have a 12-tray Cabellas dehydrator and have made loads of jerky. I even bought a slicer.
I’ve pickeled, I’ve helped my mother can back in the day.
I love my neighbors, but fuck no, that’s WAY too much work.
At my last house I did hydroponic swiss shard. I’m thinking about cranking that up inside this winter.
I tried lettuce, but could never get it to harden off. as soon as I plucked the leaves they just went limp, it was like they were inflated by the water.
You will have 1 month where you struggle to consume way too much of one single vegetable every week and you will dread having to find different recipes to use ot all up.
Right now I have about 16 very large cucumbers. I don’t even like pickles that much.
My 15 yo daughter eats cucumbers like apples, she would mow through those 16 in one week.
I think you gave birth to a rabbit.
Do they stomp their feet too when angry?
Who? Daughters or rabbits? Nevermind, the answer is yes!
Maybe that’s when to feed your neighbours.
Ours just gave us a load of tomatoes and aubergine. Lovely.
If we’d had more than 6 strawberries we’d probably have shared too lol.
Yeah our neighbours have ven bigger gardens so not really
Everyone in your neighbourhood has a bigger vegetable garden than you, and grows the same vegetables as you (if they were different vegetables, they might want those)?
Also they also harvest in the same two week window as you?
Because if it’s outside that window, then everyone can spread the love on their own harvest week.
Where’s the sidewalk?
They mean like this:
But, a lot of neighborhoods don’t have them:
I specifically bought in a neighborhood with sidewalks, because kids. But, as GenX I didn’t anticipate that GenZ would be the first generation that didn’t play outside all summer like we used to.
I don’t know, My nieces are in VR or on their phones alot, but outside is still on equal footing. And they are meeting other kids out there.
I think for people that can sustain their social needs with indirect relationships, maybe. But anyone that needs in-person socializing, they are gonna go get it. They don’t go outside as much extra during the school year, but they spend the majority of summer break out there.
This drives me nuts, I know sidewalks are an extra cost. But I’d happily pay a portion to get some put in around us.
I don’t live in an HOA, but I swear all the surrounding neighborhoods just don’t want them to keep the “riff raff” out. Still I ride bikes with my kid in the mega HOA neighborhood across the street, a lot flatter. Have to ride in the storm gutter if a car comes by.
They are building another mega HOA housing development next to the current one, houses at double the price. They certainly won’t have sidewalks because it’s targeting 60+. No restricted by age, but by money. They’ll probably put a gate on it too.
GenZ would be the first generation that didn’t play outside all summer like we used to.
Idk where you live but going outside in August is absolutely brutal down in Texas. All the kids go out in Fall and Winter, when the weather is much more bearable. You’ll have the running trails packed shoulder-to-shoulder for half a mile as soon as temperatures get under 90. But not a degree before.
Didn’t even know that was a thing, where I live one side still requires a sidewalk.
We’ll need an after picture too, I assume they’re going to replace that concrete tightrope with one?
Respond to the wrong comment?
I think they’re commenting that the sidewalk is super skinny. I legit didn’t see it at first glance.
The sidewalk is 36” (1m actually) with a 12” curb.
It’s large enough for wheelchairs to get by. The road is also 40’ wide so two cars can pass with parking along each side. The vehicle in the back provides some scale.
Plus the bins in the back, they’re atleast 24” by 24”, clearly the sidewalk is wider.
So like, technically a sidewalk but that sidewalk is gonna be embarrassed af in gym class
I think they’re saying that sidewalk is too narrow, which it does look minimal compared to the street, like a wheelchair would have a hard time, especially with the edge curving down like that.
It’s a 40’ wide road with a 36” sidewalk and 12” curb. People can pass a wheelchair going down it fine. Look at the vehicle and the bins for scale context.
It think they’re trying to funny that there’s no shoulder, which would just waste space on a 40km/h residential road that is filled with parking after school and work.
a 36” sidewalk
So… About the minimum for a single person to walk with little leeway, normally in a safe indoor area with no car traffic?
36" is the absolute bare minimum required walkway space in the US by ADA to technically be wheelchair compliant in that a single wheelchair user might be able to use it, roughly half the minimum 1.8m clear width recommended by Australia’s Department of Transport, and less than half the 2m minimum unobstructed walkway space recommended for pedestrians in low-traffic areas by the UK’s department for transport. This is undeniably too narrow.
That road looks wide enough for about 4 cars, it’s not a “waste” to surrender some of that to make it slightly less hostile to pedestrians.
In the bottom right?
My city only requires sidewalks depending on how much vehicular traffic, how much foot traffic, and if kids are expected to navigate that street to get to school. And even then “one side” doesn’t mean “same side.” My house and the one next to my neighbor have the unfortunate yards missing sidewalks, meaning people have to use my next-for neighbor’s sidewalk, cross the street, use my neighbor’s sidewalk, and then can continue down until they have to cross the street again because the sidewalk is unusable at a certain point.
The reasons we have missing and broken sidewalks are that:
- The city won’t help pay for them
- The city has strict regulations on how they’re installed
- The 50-foot run of sidewalk would cost more than a car to install, and since they’re often seen as insurance liabilities, it’s practically impossible to get a reasonable loan to cover the up-front costs.
“My yard is the shitty impediment because I can’t afford to fund a public service” is not one of the sad realities of home ownership that I expected to encounter.
My city has a sidewalk renovation program, which is great.
I have a corner lot and practically triple the sidewalk my neighbors have. Cost me over 4 grand to have the city mandated sidewalk repairs done. Kind of a pain, but it was cheaper to get it bundled with them than to have a contractors come out and fix it.
The city has strict regulations on how they’re installed
Could you install a very narrow terrace at the front of your yard?
In many cases “the city has strict regulations on how they’re installed” should be read as “the city requires you to use one of their pre-approved contractors.”
If it’s for a sidewalk, yes. I’m wondering how strict their definition of sidewalk is.
Walk up the driveway, than under the wooden pergola at a 90 degree angle, than it turns to the house.
Driveways are parts of sidewalks, don’t need a seperate one if the driveway is wide enough to walk past the cars.
“Anarchy under the umbrella of a very authoritarian system.”
Arguably, “Socialism under the umbrella of a very authoritarian barely-socialist system.”
A scientist would tell you this is bad data. Arguably good propaganda, but bad science.
anarchy looks like that yard being paved over and 5 hobo’s crowding around a flaming barrel. Captialism is what this looks like since that garden is clearly a hobby.
Feed your neighbours?
That amount of land is unlikely to feed a single person, let alone their neighbours.
https://fincatierra.com/journal/how-much-land-to-feed-a-person
Feed your neighbours the occasional veggie during summertime.
I miss giant zucchinis. The groundhogs have defeated everyone in my neighborhood.
I think it’s assumed that we are to imagine we’re looking at a small part of a whole.
solarpunk tends to be more about vibes than viability
Who’s to say that they’re only gardening on this single plot of land? Why not plant a food forest in your front and back yard, and coordinate with your neighbors to have the whole neighborhood build a food coop?
Also, how do you get “feed your neighbor every single calorie they will ever need” out of this meme? You’re literally just loading a whole bunch of extra baggage onto a simple point that we should be growing and sharing food for our community. There’s no reason to make perfect the enemy of good.
I live in a town that is experiencing significant growth. The plot of land across the street from me had one house on it, it was torn down and they’re building four in its place. My own house sits on two lots, so I have an above average amount of land for this suburban town. My yard, all told, is 8-10 times the size of what is pictured above.
I couldn’t grow a year’s worth of side dishes for myself on my land, if I knocked down every tree and shrub and replaced them with something productive. I do some backyard gardening, I can a year’s worth of jelly (in fact that’s a project for this coming week) and I raise a summer’s worth of peppers and tomatoes.
