Edit: Oops, it is /r/Tennessee, not /r/ProgressiveHQ
Of all people to claim is spam, Steve fucking Hoftstetter‽
Tennessean here who tried to organize on my state/city subreddits. Can confirm this kind of partisan censorship is not new.
A while ago I made a innocuous enough post on my city’s sub about a “Release the Epstein Files” billboard that went up and was paid for by our local Mobilize chapter. Within an hour it was the most upvoted post of the past month. Within 2, it was removed without reason and I was blocked and banned permantly
That’s Reddit, I was banned from a Pokemon Go subreddit for being against Niantic forcibly leaving their sandbox environment on iOS.
Super curious about the Pokemon Go thing, wasn’t able to find anything on Google though. Could you tell what to search or share a link? Thanks <3
Reddit mostly cleared that up by deleting the posts, and banning the users. They couldn’t risk looking like they did anything wrong, like working alongside a company to check for running apps on iOS, when it’s specifically designed to be sandboxed. Not surprisingly, other users discovered Apple was turning a blind eye to the attempts to check systems memory for hooks.
We need to be careful on Lemmy. Only the fact that the moderators and admins have goodwill are keeping Lemmy from becoming like Reddit. If Lemmy gets big and starts attracting people who want to pay to take over communities, that will stretch the moderator goodwill to the limits.
Public mod logs help a lot.
It doesn’t, at all. They don’t care.
It can be used to pressure admins to remove problematic moderators. It can be used to pressure admins of your instance to defederate from other instances with problematic admins. It means mods can’t gaslight people about their actions. Obviously it doesn’t magically stop bad actions but it gives us a lot of ways to resist it and counter it.
In theory, yes. I have seen one (1) case of it working, across hundreds of communities.
You’ve only seen one case of mods not being able to gaslight people? I’m been a little cheeky because it’s so much more than getting mods to step down or apologize or shit like that. If they’re the problem people can make a new community. If the instance is the problem you can jump ship to a new one. Hell, you can even self host if it comes down to it.
Thats where federation comes in. Don’t like how mods are running things? Just set up a mirror forum on a different instance and people will come if theyre sympathetic.
If we ignore the network effect, or the effort it takes, it’s a great idea!
It’s a fair point. Don’t discount the power and value that comes from keeping the same platform, APIs, and client software during a community migration away from the censorship. Plus having a clear line delineating the extent of a mod’s power to suppress viewpoints likely reduces the incidence of abuse in the first place.
The difference being that Lemmy supports multiple communities with the same name.
If an instance is allowing their communities to be sold, they can be defederated.
As the number of users goes up, it becomes more difficult to enforce that way. Even if many people switch communities, when new ones search for the community by name, the one with the most users will pop up first. And it becomes more and more difficult to justify defederating an instance over a couple of communities if the instance has a ton of big communities.
It makes me think that maybe “communities” wasn’t the way to organize, maybe you subscribe to a topic and see all posts for that topic on all instances.
But moderation is good, and defederation is too severe a tool to use for moderation. It feels like there is no good solution.Piefed has topics I think (I’m mostly on mobile so not something I use but I remember it being there when I set up my account)
Ive always liked subscribing to hashtags so you get user led topics. EX: https://piefed.social/tag/peertube
Ive always thought it would be good to elect mods from the community. Instead of having a mod that is in charge of EVERYTHING in a community, it should have periodic elections (or just a vote of no confidence by a certain % of users, then an election). The ones that vote have to joined the community for X number of days/months/etc… That way it prevents a bit of the brigading. Also if communities are basically dead, it can help revive them.
Just an idea.
Which will make the return on investment questionable, especially if the whole thing gets meme’d into the spotlight. And if it doesn’t attract more attention, it probably didn’t need to be shut down in the first place.
I was banned from Reddit by Reddit for calling out a shill. And then they censored my post and deleted it from my data request so that it was impossible to prove I wasn’t inciting violence. That whole place is fucked.
It sounds exactly like the behavior of Reddit moderators. The entire platform was a form of hidden marketing; if anyone discovered it, they would flag or ban you.
Can’t except much better from a reddit mod team.
Yikes on bikes.
Expect?
Exactly!
Extractly?
TBF the Reddit mods who do a good job never get talked about. I’ve seen very reasonable mod teams
Why would you bother talking about them, I suppose. Bitching about dickheads - fun, wow, everyone loves a moan. Complimenting the capable? Dull, flat, uninteresting
That is basically the same reason that conservatives have been able to sell the lie that government programs are inefficient compared to the dictatorship of corporations. You don’t hear anything about the vast majority of government programs, because they work. You only hear about the ones that got corruption and greed mixed in, because those can be called wasteful. In reality most government programs are far more efficient than any corporation could hope to be.
You only hear about the ones that got corruption and greed mixed in, because those can be called wasteful.
Incidentally the parts of Medicaid that have the most fraud are run by private corporations
Particularly egregious because any private replacement of a govt program is inherently a monopoly and therefore, by economic rules, almost certain to be wasteful and shite. And outcome metrics are financial rather than intentional. Yeah but ok let’s not go down this hole, we all know where we stand.
Shiiet. At least they awnser. Other mods just mute you for 30 days for asking and report you for harassment if write again afterwards.
*expect
Lemmy isnt Better, all the mod rejects from Reddit are mods on Lemmy and are using any tiny speck of power to do what Reddit mods would do
My very first Lemmy post was in what is essentially the only Lemmy comics group, and it got removed because it contained “profanity”.
I was trying to post original content directly to Lemmy, which is something no one ever does. But it got removed, so fuck it, I posted it to reddit. Two hours later, it was on the front page of reddit. So not to toot my own horn, but I think that’s a sign that it was pretty fucking premium OC, the kind of content that a Lemmy mod should want in their community.
I’ve since seen it reposted all over the internet, and it’s hit the reddit front page several more times.
The profanity in question: “balls”.
I once got into a debate on a left wing community about the methods to outsmart conservatives. The guy wasn’t agreeing with me, at one point I said “doing the same thing is just lunacy” I was removed and banned for “ableism” That’s the best the mod could come up with to silence my opinion.
I once solved Goldbach’s conjecture in only 7 lines. Mods absolutely deleted it. Reason given? Damn, if I could remember that I could remember the proof
Thing is tho, you own r/bastard mods, you own it entirely
You own c/bastardmods.lemmy.bastard, people move to c/bastardmods.lemmy.fuckyou
It kinda fucks with me when mindlessly scrolling and being like “didn’t I see this exact post not 10b seconds ago?”. Then realizing it’s a separate instance.
That problem isn’t unique to Lemmy, though. Reddit had many similar duplicate subs.
10… billion seconds ago?
Good memory
Yeah volunteer mods almost always act like fief lords on any platform.
The type of person that would volunteer is precisely the type of person who shouldn’t be a mod, usually.
You see the same effect in person, too, with HOAs being the most notorious example. But there are many volunteer-based organizations that do incredible good work. Power tripping is a thing to watch out for and build guardrails against, but thankfully it’s not universal.
I’m personally offended that you’re posting Steve’s personal propaganda claiming he’s a comedian.
The guy literally does comedy tours. I guess I’ll just go ahead and buy those tickets…
I saw him recently. I had a blast!
That is depressing.
You would torture yourself to make a point on Lemmy?
Please, go right ahead.
Why? Isn’t he a comedian?
No, but he does play one on YouTube.
Define comedian. If you make money off doing comedy or are attempting to I would call you a comedian.
Steve is both intelligent and funny. This person is just shitty.
I know who he is I’ve liked his stuff before I’m just trying to back them into a corner where they have to admit they are so self obsessed they think only their sense of humor is “correct”.
That’s why Reddit is the shit hole it is.
What does progressivehq have to do with the Tennessee subreddit?
Oops, you are 100% correct, I fixed the title.
This is why Reddit is garbage and anyone that still has an account on there is only fueling the fire. Fuck Reddit and their mods
I hope you realize Lemmy is just as bad, maybe even worse
We have MAGA mods suppressing voter turnout?
We have .ml propaganda blaming our only hope of resistance for everything the Nazis do.
It’s not much different from the projection tactic the GOP use. Just in this case it’s “you didn’t stop it”.
Many instances defederated .ml and you can block the instance.
That’s fair.
There’s also a handful of users on other instances that love bashing the dems for not being left enough or something. These are just a few nutters, not really moderators pushing agendas.
Those nutters are sometimes mods. Try criticizing Stalin on any lm community, see how fun.
Ml dont have much influence and we can easily remove them by blocking or defederating them because no one controls lemmy and that is the beauty of lemmy.
that’s a bingo
But lemmy allows for various viewpoints unlike reddit which is mostly run by the same mods in every large subreddit.
Because obviously only MAGA can be bad people. Yeepee China and Russian number one!
/s needed because we’re on Lemmy
I’m not sure if you’re American, but for me as an American Maga impacts my life many times more than china or Russia so maga’s evil is far more relevant in my life. But either way you are doing a lot of whataboutism.
The comment I was responding to pretty much said the only abuse is about MAGA stuff. As for whataboutism, idk how you can do better
I’m not in the USA.
Shirley, you jest…
(and yeah, am calling you Shirley…)
I finally left the platform entirely a few months ago, but for a time I maintained an account for discussion on hobby and niche topics. Nothing political, and it would be a real stretch to call any of it controversial. After I got a very dubious account suspension, I just said “fuck it” and moved on.
Can’t say I miss it either. It’s a fucking cesspool.
Reddit’s glory days were when it was big enough to have consistently interesting stuff, especially in the niche subs, but not so big that bad actors (corporatization, foreign influence, domestic partisan bots, hate groups) could enshitify it. Now it’s practically unusable.
Ice soap and 2AM chili were peak reddit.
Knowledge is power. France is bacon.
Monacles and narwhales!
You think Lemmy is better? Mods here are engaging in the same shitty behaviours. Lack of moderator accountability is a serious issue on this platform.
Honestly yes, I have not had much problems with mods (and admins!) deleting the words I’ve taken time out of my day to write.
Free Luigi Mangione!
You’ve been lucky.
I’ll give it more time then. I spent years on Reddit and intend to spend years here.
Public mod log is a big accountability improvement over the absence of information Reddit has
Remember when the person behind GamingOnLinux decided to leave Lemmy after someone pointed out their community manipulation tactics in the modlog? Something that you have to assume they had been able to get away with as a Reddit mod. They then took to Mastodon or something to complain about how a public modlog is “bad design”.
What kind of agenda would a GamingOnLinux powermod push?
IMO the biggest flaw is that the mod log doesn’t append a copy of the content that was deleted. It allows mods to just straight up lie.
From what I have seen, removed comments definitely are still visible in the modlog. But if the mod just bans the user instead of removing the comment, all the user’s comments are automatically removed as a result and are not visible in the modlog. All that said, you are correct, this can be abused by moderators who understand the distinction and take advantage of it.
But really it’s a human problem. As long as humans get power, they will misuse it. Perhaps not all, but some will.
I absolutely have observed mods on Lemmy engaging in the same shitty behaviors (I am sitting on a post about a little cabal of [email protected] people who seem to be trying to rig the discourse in a particular direction to meet their electoral goals). But the simple fact of it being less centralized and more transparent (and with more of a culture of effective pushback against the mods) makes it a lot harder. They can’t just say “lol get fucked” like the mod from this post did and have that be the end of the story.
I’ve seen the mod in that community delete comments that simply disagreed with them or called out their deletions. It’s always “harassment” or something no matter how polite people are being.
Plus federation means that the admins can’t just step in and shut down any competing communities unless they are on their instance. And if that happens, it just starts up on another instance.
i mean lemmy def is better. we dont have one ahole controlling everything here.
Exactly
Modding attracts a certain type.
As part of the LW Community Team, I’ve tried to combat this in a couple ways.
One is that when we need moderators for a community I don’t just put up a post that says “who wants to mod?” Instead I try to draft specific individuals one at a time who are relevant to that community.
You wouldn’t believe how many people just tell me no. They have time to post to Lemmy a dozen times a day, but they just don’t have time to mod c/threepostsaweek
The other is that I try not to just keep recruiting mods we already have. It’s very easy to turn to the people already doing the modding and ask them to pick up just one more, but we’ve seen what that has done to Reddit, and I’d rather not repeat it.
But all this takes time and effort, and it doesn’t seem to have much effect yet. I probably just need to keep at it.
They have been playing ads on TV consistently for them. Hers saying she wants to help try to keep health insurance available, not get premiums raised and help the people of Tennessee.
His saying she’s a radical that was opposed to ICE agents and trying to bully them by blocking them with her car.
His ads have nothing policy based ever said, because it sounds like none of his policies help the people. I guess he is pro tariffs or something, idk
His saying she’s a radical that was opposed to ICE agents and trying to bully them by blocking them with her car.
Shit, that makes me want to vote for her more than her own ad. Someone willing to personally take action to stop the Gestapo?
The right never campaign on policy because if they did they wouldn’t get any votes.
In first-past-the-post election systems, campaigning on fear is well established as the winning strategy. In this case the fear the D candidate is playing on - loss of health care access - is more fact-based than the fear the R candidate is playing on - xenophobia - but both campaigns know fear-driven turnout is the only way to win.
I hope ranked choice voting makes more inroads. I am under no illusion it would break the two party system (Australia has used it for eighty years and still has two main parties), but by making second choices relevant it gives a winning election path to a pro-cooperation, get-things-done style of campaign.
On one hand, I think this is why social media should be introduced to governments in an “official” capacity, kinda like how former Presidents and other officials would use twitter as a way to reach the masses about important news or whatever. There should be “official” accounts that are tied to certain positions that would be used to moderate different communities, such as city- or state-wide ones like r/Tennessee.
But then, there’s the whole deal of America very quickly spiraling into fascism.
This is where the feta verse could shine. For example, the House of Representatives could have a server, and each member would have a username on that server. Much like how email currently works. It wouldn’t be beholden to the whims of a corporation.
As a gay black man…
Does it have to be feta? What about BlueCheeseProto?
Ah, you caught that before my edit. The pleasures of voice-to-text.
Exactly. Like a state-run online community moderated by federal or state workers. That way it would still be kept on-topic but (hopefully) without the power-tripping that usually happens with free-market moderators.
Ideally there’d be some kind of supervisor/admin above them that they’d report to.
But again, run by the state and not a company.
But you see how Trump installs his own people in federal jobs and fires people he disagrees with…
What’s another child Fucker on reddit.
They’re a mod committing election interference.
You mean a potential trump administrator?
If I recall a similar thing happened to the San Antonio subreddit. Something like it was taken over during the mod revolt, and the new mods seem to have very specific interests.
The /r/canada sub has long been controlled by far right people as well. There’s been an effort to seize control of city / state / country subs.
Not surprising. Most of the left-leaning people would’ve left by June 2023.
There are three Seattle subs because of this shit.
The San Antonio sub is the only one I’ve been banned from and all I did was make a well educated argument for a massive voter initiative. Fuck those guys.
Time to get in touch with Mr. Hoffstetter and point him and his millions of followers in this direction.
“Well, I do mind because I motherfucking live here, and I’m not having a good day. So how about you stop being a fucking knob and answer my question?”
Me too. What district?Is it a senatpr? I’m drowning in hopelessness over here.
Wow what a cunt of a mod
All Reddit mods are cunts. No exceptions.
We MUST Protect Jeffrey Epstein!
-Republicans!
We need to stop attacking pedophiles!
- Ted Cruz
*Can we
But yeah fuck Raphael
