Unwittingly had ‘sex’ with a child, realised it was a child, had ‘sex’ a second time.
And wrote a song about it. And then wrote it into his autobiography.
How this man apparently skated through the #MeToo movement unscathed is truly baffling.
Anthony Kiedis is the reason I stopped listening to the Ref Hot Chili Peppers… and they were my favorite band. Even if he hadn’t had been a child molester as shown by his autobiography, he’d still be one of those creepy 60 years old people who only date girls in their 20s.
As a former Marilyn Manson fan, yeah, shit sucks. Obviously not nearly as much as it does for the victims, but still, shit sucks.
the hardest part of getting older, is finding out how many people I listened to in the 80s were just straight up child predators with good publicity.
It makes me sick… it makes me feel a lot more things, but I doubt the mods would like me to express such thoughts.
What the fuck
Someone who hates Mike Patton can only be a POS, so no surprise here
One more reason to hate Kiedis.
This thread reads like a bunch of religious zealots looking for a witch to burn.
I don’t think people who support child abuse should exist
Do adult abusers get a pass then?
Apparently Lemmy too
Exactly what popped into my head too lmao. I refuse to be ragebaited by low quality bait @[email protected] please try harder
But they do exist. What’s more, they have fully infested every corner of business, politics, entertainment, and law enforcement. FFS, one of the more horrifying aspects of ICE has been the degree to which it has served as a hot-house for child sex predators.
I’m not sure what to do about it. I guess we can post harder.
Did you read the text? She told him she was 14. This isn’t one of those “hey it’s legal in my state” cases.
Nonetheless. Bunch of frothing scrpturebangers up in here.
What are you even talking about? You are ok with pedophiles, wtf???
As an atheist I still find it kind of fucked up.
Nobody is quoting “scripture” because it doesn’t give a crap.
Unfortunately there are lots of preachers who have demonstrated this.
This comment reads like someone who defends that euphemism for pedophelia… Thankfully I can’t even remember the word, not going to search it.
“Molester” is putting it lightly.
Oh, and besides that, I’m only fourteen
So we had sex one more time
Yeah at first it was him having sex unknowingly with a 14-yo. But dude had sex with her again after learning she was 14 and wrote a song about it. Wtf
You don’t unknowingly have sex with a 14yo. I don’t think I’ve met any that could pass for an adult. You have to be at least complacent with having sex with minors for that to happen and you not at least consider that they’re too young.
I’ve known a bunch of 14-yos who manages to get into bars and to buy alcohol even from state alcohol stores where they’re really strict because people thought they were (at least) 18-yo. A 14-yo managing to get people to think they are 18 (or whatever the age of consent was there at the time) isn’t the hard to believe thing about this story imo, but with the situation described here, the scrutiny over someone’s age might’ve not been all that thorough.
Having sex with her again and writing a song about it after knowing she is 14 though, what the fuck
While I’m a guy so the rules ain’t quite the same but when I was 14 I could easily grab scratchers since I had a full stache a patchy but pretty far along beard. I looked like a baby faced 18 or 19 year old when in reality I hit puberty right fucking early at 8.
Yeh I know twenty something year old women who can still look like they are 15 years old if they dress and do their hair and makeup like a 15 year old. Guess the reverse is also true.
Yo I got hit on by a granny…
I was a doorman at a nightclub in the UK in the 90s. Believe me, there are young teens that can totally pass for adults. You’d be blind to think otherwise. We had to ID almost everyone. Conversely there were many 18 year olds that looked like literal children.
People get a little weird in reception towards musicians and the things they do.
Michael Jackson is a glaring example. Sure, he was the butt-end of decades of jokes until the things he’s done with children got out for everyone to know. But still, there are millions of defenders for him who just simply - look past that. Because reasons.
And I am sure if more things came out about the rockstars boomers hail as the ‘last generation of good music’ would look past some of the things they’ve done too.
It’s fucking weird.
These were never substantiated. In fact some children came forward and said that their parents coached them to say these things.
Two takes:
- It’s possible that summering happened but could not be proven.
- It’s possible that nothing happened at all.
The circumstances point more to the latter. I personally believe that a bunch of greedy bastards were after money and had no problem destroying someone’s life in the process.
That said, he did confess to some pretty weird behaviour with the kids. Like sharing a bed with them. Now maybe nothing happened, but it’s a bit of a red flag.
I don’t think any of the MJ “child abuse” claims were ever substantiated or proven and MJ was acquitted in court. The whole thing looked like a smear campaign to dirty his name due to disputes over the rights to music
The rest of the band isn’t a whole lot better:
Then, Balzary and Smith jumped into the crowd. Balzary picked up the woman and began to spin her around on his shoulders, while Smith pulled her bathing suit to one side and began to slap her bottom, Grasso said. Officials said Balzary got on top of the woman, asked her to perform a sex act, then began to simulate the act.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/03/17/Two-members-of-Red-Hot-Chili-Peppers-arrested/7434637650000/
Damn, MTV still aired it
God damn it, I was hoping I could at least still like smith
Also left out the part that this was deeply unconsensual and not an excited groupie.
‘I think she sustained the injuries by trying to fight them off, when she was slammed to the ground by one of them. The other bruise she sustained to her leg when the other member tried to rip off her bathing suit,’ said beach ranger Sgt. Ray Caruso.
Disgusting. PSA to never go to a Chilis concert, fuck them.
Seems pretty damn consensual to me. Pretty weird you’d want to do that as a grown man, but whatever, if they were both fine with it I don’t care.
The issue is that it needs to be informed consent, rather than just “they said yes”… or even worse, “they didn’t say no”. I feel like I need a shower just typing that.
In this instance, the girl may have seemed like a willing participant - but anyone “consenting” when they’re below 16 (or whatever your local jurisdiction’s legal age is) needs to be taken with a truckful of salt, and in most cases is entirely inadmissable as a legal defence. I’m all for granting young adults the opportunity to make most decisions for themselves - but there are certain grey areas that their age renders them vulnerable to coercion or exploitation, sexual interactions being one of them.
There are of course very narrow exceptions - most notably the Romeo and Juliet laws, but it’s generally accepted that if one party is below the age of consent while the other isn’t, then the consent is not informed and therefore not valid.
It doesn’t have to be age-based either. It can be in environments where there is a sufficient difference in power dynamic (big difference in levels of seniority in the workplace; persons with learning disabilities or additional needs; or those with dependency issues) where consent is not informed and is the subject of coercion rather than genuine consent.
Adding to this, consent also depends on what you are consenting to and the risks that it entails. It’s one thing for a teenager to decide to do a low risk activity, but sex carries many risks such as pregnancy, STDs, and emotional distress from a poorly defined boundary being crossed. An adult can make an educated decision that understands these risks but a teenager is not equipped to do so
So you’re a pedophile.
I mena yeah she seemed consenting but it’s still illegal as fuck and you should definitely know better at 23, especially after she’s told you she’s 14. Having sex again after knowing and making a song about it and writing about it in your autobiography is both fucked up and just bizarre.
Is Flea still cool tho?
I heard he’s a fucking Nihilist.
What a coward.
that would upset him, if he gave a fuck…
And a street racer.
He was about 20 years old at the time, a rock star signed to a label, and a hardcore drug addict. I’m not excusing the behavior, but I’m not sure what anyone was expecting. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone in this time period in his situation that wasn’t a massive piece of shit.
I fully support Romeo and Juliet laws to not punish horny teenagers for being horny teenagers, but a 6 year difference at 14 years old is completely out of any reasonable scope to make an exception. Doubly so when the guy was so nonchalant about it 20 years later.
Hmmm… Michael Bay might have an opinion about that…
Yes!!! The biggest red flag is not that it happened, it’s his tone of recalling these events.
It’s weird, I was 20 years old once. I knew a lot of people who were 20 years old the same time I was 20 years old. None of them raped any children. Some of them were in bands, they didn’t rape any children. Some of them were addicted to drugs, they didn’t rape any children.
It was clearly fully consensual, it’s hyperbole to call it “rape” unless there was coercion. A girl willingly coming on to an older man and having sex with them is not the same as a girl being violently assaulted in a field, calling everything “rape” is spitting on actual rape victims.
14-year-olds can’t consent you fucking weirdo. That’s called rape.
Legally it depends on local laws. Morally it’s really up to debate, but there definitely are some 14-year-olds that are mature enough to consent.
legally it depends on local laws.
Yeah nah. Romeo & Juliet laws don’t cover this because 14 and 20 is too far apart. And you can not legally consent if you’re under 18 in almost all developed countries. There is no legal debate for these countries.
There definitely are some 14-year-olds that are mature enough to consent.
Hard disagree. Some will say or act like they consent but at 14 your brain is not fully developed. They might find out how bad of a decision that was only 10 years later. Consent does not only mean verbal or physical agreement, but also to be absolutely sure someone has a full understanding of all actions and consequences, and at 14 you can not presume that. There’s a reason the age of consent is 18. Almost everyone has developed a grasp of these things at 18yo and above.
He is not a Jeffrey Epstein, but holy shit call it what it is.
Not defending the action, but age of consent is not 18 in all countries or states.
While technically correct, it’s worth pointing out that must places still have stachatory laws in there too. My state for instance has age of consent at 16 but if one of the participants is older than 18 the younger or their legal guardian can press charges.
This is because it’s unreasonable to expect dating 16 year olds are celibate and punishing them is dumb, however, by 18 you should know you don’t fuck kids in highschool and then it’s left up to the case by case to decide.
And you can not legally consent if you’re under 18 in almost all developed countries.
It’s odd how you’re not old enough to consent to sex (which is, you know, lending your body to somebody else) but you’re old enough to work for a company (which is, you know, lending your body to somebody else).
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/youthlabor/agerequirements
Age Requirements
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) sets wage, hours worked, and safety requirements for minors (individuals under age 18) working in jobs covered by the statute. The rules vary depending upon the particular age of the minor and the particular job involved. As a general rule, the FLSA sets 14 years old as the minimum age for employment, and limits the number of hours worked by minors under the age of 16.
The same age should apply to both, don’t you think?
Tell me you are from the USA without telling me you are from the USA.
Calling literally ALL of Europe “not developed” is… something. Age of consent in EU is around 15, and it is 14 in many countries including Germany (which has equivalent of Romeo & Juliet laws above the age of 21, but still 14 and 20 sleeping together would be 100% legal).
So, please look outside of your borders once in a while, it may change your perspective. :)
I’m literally from Europe lol
So much wrong with this…I encourage you to actually look up the laws you’re talking about before you start exploiting minors in Europe. For starters, the EU has no age of consent.
Found Anthony Kiedis’ Lemmy account
No there aren’t and no it isn’t you weird pedophile
No.
He did specify that he was also a rockstar and a drug addict. I don’t think their point was just the age
As someone who’s gone through a meth addiction, I’ve seen it warp people and make them capable of things they’d never do normally. And I do mean sexually. This has been a topic at every HIV clinic I’ve worked for, the counselors would have pretty typical straight guys who would turn into nympho gay bottoms once they got high. I don’t think it’s a latent sexuality thing, I think their circuits are just so blown out they turn into a different person entirely. I’ve not been addicted to heroin (yet!) but I have to assume there’s similar dissociation and personality changes from chronic use.
Writing about it later is gross as hell but 2004 was peak “gross fucking masculinity” time when this sort of shit was almost celebrated, so I can see him or the ghostwriter thinking it would be a brag of some sort.
Is he still doing it now that he’s sober? Is he contrite? These are things I would factor in, even if it was a pattern during his drug use. I haven’t followed RHCP in a very long time so IDK.
Dude I was 20 a few years ago and also addicted to drugs. Never thought about raping a 14 year old though. I am not saying I am surprised by his behavior, but I am saying it is disgusting regardless of any circumstances.
lol 20years suddenly dont engage in sleeping with minor, just because they are drugs. the drugs likely disinibited his predilection towards minor. its like say a pedophile became that way because he wasnt loved by his parents, P45 is an example.
He was 42 when he wrote the words pictured above
I think it has more to do with the tone with which he recalls the incident. There is no regret or acknowledgment of how inappropriate that was.
sounds like he should have been taken out into a field and shot.
How many 20th century rock stars didn’t turn out to be horrible abusers?
Dio.
Brando?
All of Iron Maiden
Ozzy. He was basically self abusing to death. I assume you meant abusive to others.
All of Metallica
All of megadeth
Lemmy Kilmister is the most chill and kind guy you’d ever seen.
Basically anyone that cared about the music rather than scoring girls.
Didn’t Dave Ellefson of Megadeth engage in some weird shit with a young girl, and like recently?
Right you are.
IDK Ozzy actively tried to kill Sharon, that seems pretty abusive.
Wasn’t his fault. He was an addict. Or atleast that what most people would say about addicts.
Does addiction excuse the abuse, or merely explain it?
Alice Cooper
This dude has dated more underage girls than I have fingers. Why do people continue to look the other way?
same way they excuse brad pitts wierd age limit of 25. hes more than likely wanted younger girls.
There’s a huge fucking difference between a 20 year old (giving DiCaprio 5 years with the individual before they turn 25) and a 14 year old. A 14 year old has only just developed the ability to think about matters in a non-binary (as in not purely bad or purely good for example) manner, a 20 year old has been able to think that way for nearly a decade. Ones decision making skills are decidedly very poor before about age 25 as the brain is still developing, and that development is still occuring at a breakneck pace at 14 where by 20 it’s slowed significantly. Even if you just look at the years that’s like saying an 8 year old is basically the same as a 14 year old which is obviously not the case.
Now, it’s definitely kinda weird for someone to go for a 20 year old in their 40s. Having a 25 year age gap between you and your partner is honestly some level of weird at any life stage, but at least by 20 they’re an adult legally and mentally. Anyone over the age of 20 is generally able to understand the risks and consequences of their actions, and while some amount of mistakes are understandable both due to poor decision-making skills and lack of life experiences, it’s nowhere near as drastic as a 14 year old left to their own devices
Leonardo DiCaprio fyi
It’s within the realm of possibility!
LOL, that disorder would keep him from answering which one of those women was your waitress, but not was your waitress 14.
It can make it harder to estimate the age of a person (I say as a person that also struggles with faces). But yeah most people don’t do those estimations based on face only, especially if you’re faceblind. I don’t know anything about Brad Pitt though so no comment on that lmao
Leonardo DiCaprio (51), whose girlfriend is 27.
And come the fuck on. I’m a little grossed out on a personal level (as someone who is “only” 40) at being in a relationship with someone that’s 20-25. To me we’d be so culturally different that it would bother me.
Though that’s probably less of a factor when the culture you’ve been in for decades is the Hollywood lifestyle, unlike the average person who predominantly hangs around with people close to themselves in ages.
The reality is that they’re both consenting adults and can do whatever the hell they want.
Fucking a 14 year old is not even in the same universe as fucking a 27 year old. What are you smoking?
DiCaprio clearly finds women in their mid 20s attractive. Newsflash: most 51 year olds will be attracted to an attractive 27 year old.
I’ve never quite understood the anger at DiCaprio over this. Women in their 20s are not children. They have brains. They are more than capable of consenting.
That book is written like my fourth grade English assignment. (I’m German)
Who ghost wrote that book?
A German 4th grader.
Absolutely! I hear people saying about how good this autobiography is.  But I don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. It’s written in such a flat tone, it sounds like he was bored himself while writing it. 
Sometimes it’s not the quality of the text, but the events and the revealings making these books “so good” for many people.
I get it. And I think that’s what it was for people. But I still don’t fully “get” it because it was like any other rock stars autobiography: debauchery, sex, drug use. I guess people like reading about those.
