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I feel like most everyone* who cares about distros likes Debian. It may not be the right distro for your use case, but you’re glad it’s around.
*I’m sure even Debian has it’s haters. But I think it’s a minority.I use it because it feels like the most Linux-ey of Linuxes (Linuxii??). I don’t know how else to describe it. It’s like, no bullshit, just Linux. Here’s the Lego pieces, go have fun.
As a long-time Debian user, I’d have to throw my vote behind Slackware for the title of most UNIX-y, which is I guess a bit different from most Linux-y.
Debian got me through grad school, but Slack got me through undergrad on a hopelessly underpowered old ThinkPad — Volkerding is a legend, and Slack will always be dear to my heart.
Never experienced Slackware so I can’t compare, sorry. When I got into Linux in like, 2002, I was using Mandrake before they died, and didn’t hear much of Slackware at the time.
I had a friend that was a couple years older that was running it on a home web server though. Back when people ran home web servers. This dude would sit there and use the keyboard the entire time even in OSes like Windows, he memorized every goddamn shortcut and macro that exists. Had a dusty mouse next to his system almost never being used. Probably just to satisfy the BIOS self test.
I don’t really like debian. I can respect it as a good distro that’s based and all, but It doesn’t fit my use case of ‘just works’ the same way my steamdeck does (in regards to gaming and Windows similarly). For that I’ve found Bazzite or Kubuntu for their usage of KDE. (also manjaro was buggy 🤷♀️)
I still can’t decide if I want to use Arch based to be similar to my SteamDeck, or Ubuntu based because dealing with packages is confusing.
However I have semi-given up on Linux for my desktop PC because Nvidia sucks and I’ll try again on my semi-anually “ooo let’s try Linux again!” after Microsoft makes another dumb change. I’m gonna stick with it one day lol
Try Fedora KDE spin next time. It handles my Nvidia GPU without any trouble.
That might just be your GPU. If you’ve tried different distros and had issues on others then you’re probably right but different Nvidia GPUs can have varying success. I use two machines with different Nvidia GPUs (both running endeavourOS) and one needs drivers from flatpak to play games at more than ~20fps.
I’ve successfully used a 1050 Ti and a 3060 Ti with Linux Mint and the proprietary drivers (selected through the GUI driver manager). So if anyone reading this is in a similar situation it might be worth it to try that.
Give up on nvidia, IMO.
Bazzite (fedora based) is actually more like steamOS than Arch is like steamOS, as both Bazzite and steamOS are immutable. I love Bazzite/Aurora/Bluefin because they have the option to include Nvidia drivers preconfigured out of the box. There have been some improvements in KDE for NVIDIA recently, so maybe check it out. One quick question, why is dealing with packages a pro point for Ubuntu?
I feel like most everyone
Beware the false consensus. Not all birds are seagulls, but get a plate of chips and that’s all you’ll see.
That’s a new metaphor for me. I like it! And I want some chips now. Either the British or American kind.
Do seagulls even eat crisps? (I suppose I’m more interested in how they’d go about it)
They do it just like you do
I feel like everybody at least has a Debian based distro they like unless they’re going out of their way to be an arch tryhard, even if it’s not their #1 overall.
Debian is independent, OG, a base of so many distros, it is objectively the most stable Linux in existence, it has its own libre kernel…what’s not to love?
Ah, right.
systemd.
Exactly, same as Arch… which is why I used Arch for like 2 weeks and then hopped to Void. Sorry, but it was the same bullshit all over again, services not running properly, slow boot time, services stalling at shutdown… I’m sorry but, with the words of Garry Oldman, I haven’t got time for this Mickey Mouse bullshit!
Runit on the other hand… it just works. Set it and forget it!
I personally have little issues with systemd (okay, services can stall sometimes, true), but I appreciate brave minds who use other init systems and keep the variety for us to enjoy should we want to.
Just mentioned it as one of the few controversies surrounding Debian :D But then, on the other hand, there’s Devuan for those folks as well…
Two individuals agree on an objective fact. Is this really a joke?
Debian is a joke, it is so far out of date it is unusable for anything except cave-painting or maybe a stone circle.
Ubuntu is way better.
As a Debian user (for two servers) and a Kubuntu user (because literally nothing else that ships with KDE supports my machine’s 5G modem), I’m sorry but I’m going to have to kill you. Nothing personal, you see, but we’ve had a vote and well, it was quite strongly in favor for your demise due to the statements you’ve made.
Terribly sorry about this. bang
because literally nothing else that ships with KDE supports my machine’s 5G modem…
Why not just take that module, build it yourself, add the firmware package as well, repackage it and install it on whatever distro you like. I know, it sounds like a lot of work, but you only have to do it once… or maybe twice, depending on what is removed/added in future kernels.
I tried a slew of distros - some recognize the modem, but nothing more, most don’t even see/interact with it. It took hours of combing through outdated forums, mailing lists, wiki, etc to find commands that would not only see the modem, but unlock it and connect successfully. This was found on the Debian unstable wiki, and the system would install but fail to boot on stable, so I have no idea if the instructions work for Debian. Kubuntu however, boots successfully on that machine (a ThinkPad) and the modem “works” (is seen) ootb and can be unlocked + used successfully with the rest of the commands in that wiki page.
The fact that I tried nearly a dozen distros, and I tinkerer with it for a literal month, I’m not touching shit. I didn’t want to go Ubuntu for this machine, but cell connectivity (and hotspot hosting) is a 100% requirement, so I’m using what works.
I’m a moderate nix user but fuck packaging my own drivers and figuring out what software packages are needed to enable the modem. 20 years ago, sure. Now, fuck no, it should “just work”. PTSD from wifi not working, requiring windows drivers in a wrapper, etc. I’m not diving into that again, nope nope nope.
The fact that I tried nearly a dozen distros, and I tinkerer with it for a literal month, I’m not touching shit.
Lol 😂, yeah, I can understand that. You just want things to work, totally understandable.
Now, fuck no, it should “just work”.
Agreed. I can understand things not just working 20 years ago, but in this day and age, yes, they should just work.
I think money is the main issue… for most of the devs working on Linux, this is a fun side project, not an actual job. So, they dedicate spare time to this, nothing more. It’s the sad truth I’m afraid.
A bit of ranting about this machine:
This is my first TP machine (X13 Gen 2, Intel) and while it is fine as a very-overpriced business unit (seriously, it should cost half the asking price - and then I paid for 5y of top tier warranty and support on top of that, as it’s my first TP and I don’t trust past praise to equal future quality), I was surprised, annoyed, to find that there is absolutely no Linux support for it. Like yeah, it shipped with win 10 pro, but several similar machines have at least Ubuntu and something else officially supported, can’t remember off the top of my head. My suspicion is that it’s due to the (lack) of cell modems in those units. I don’t think Lenovo wants these units with, I guess ‘potential liability’, getting unlocked and used in non-Windows environments. That might be all bullshit but they sure as fuck aren’t going to give an honest answer about it.
I went with the TP because it was offered through my cell carrier, so compatability was guaranteed, and because everyone is like ‘woo ThinkPad!’ but… it’s fine, but it’s not this steamrolling, ass-kicking, blazing machine and experience that I was foretold. Hell, the battery has had to be replaced just 6 months into ownership, it would last 30 minutes full to empty with mere web browsing. The replacement, now a year later, is reporting like 88% life. I use this machine suuuuper lightly, as a glorified hotspot and web browser when I’m away at conventions and stuff. If they’ve cheaper out brutally hard on something as obvious as the battery, what else have they cheapest out on?
Anyway lol. Just venting.
Because who wants to do this every time they upgrade kernels, let alone once?
You don’t have to make it a part of the kernel, it could be an external module, like the firmware. I’ve done it before, it’s not as scary at it sounds. Yes, at a certain point, it will stop to work and you’d have to recompile with a new compiler (if that doesn’t work, code changes need to be implemented), but in most cases, you don’t have to change a thing, except download the new source for the driver and build it again.
It usually works for about a year or two, then you have to rebuild, so it’s not that big of an issue.
I really can’t decide if this is serious or a joke
Everyone knows that Windows 7 was peak Windows
You misspelled Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
tada.wav 4eva
It peaked somewhere between 2000 and 7. Personally, I place it in XP, but opinions vary.
Fire up React OS one of these days
React OS is awesome, and I need it to run stable on some metal.
And also play WoW, because I don’t trust linux to run whatever copy-protection crap is on there and not brick my account through no fault of its own.
Just keep in mind is unstable and not secure
Fun to play with. Just don’t use it for critical stuff
98SE, XP, and 7 each were relatively solid for their time. They all had issues, but were far better at being an OS than what we have now or are trying to be sold to constantly upgrade to.
2K was my jam.
The death of the DOS line of Windows (3.x, 9x, ME) lead to the decision to inject clown DNA into NT in order to appeal to the masses and that’s how we ended up with XP.
Vista was an attempt to eradicate the clown, but it was still there, people hated it and because Microsoft thought they had eradicated the clown, they thought people wanted more clown, and that’s how we ended up with Windows 8.
What about 7? The clown gene skipped a generation.
I run Debian at home because “Microsoft evil”, but I kinda think the Windows 10 image we use at work is alright. I work at a Forbes 500 company with a huuuge IT department, so I’m guessing they’ve done well at setting up group policies or something to make a de-cluttered experience for us. At least I never see any ads or Bing bullshit, and the Start menu works like I expect from ye old days. I could never make W10 work just as sleek at home, so I gave up and moved to Linux.
That said, most developers here still use a local Linux VM for actual developing lol.
It’s true. Add scrolling of non-focused windows and it’s unbeatable.
Has there ever been a good version of Windows? Old versions were functional but terribly insecure and newer versions are reasonably secure but cloud connected ad platforms.
Windows 10 is probably the middle ground although the newer versions come with the same anti features Windows 11 has
Good question. I will say W7 because W10 necessitated an SSD to stay performant, so bloat and bullshit got rolled into W10
8.1 but go off
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I use Arch btw.
So you probably have to go and fix it now. Good luck.
It’s a joke… Before I’m sentenced to death by downvotes.
I’ve been fixing it since I installed it…
i use debian btw
Your use of Liberation Serif will not go unnoticed.
I was looking for the bonus panel on the website and I realized this isn’t a real smbc comic when I looked again!
It references https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/a-bar-joke but it uses totally different panels. Someone was very dedicated to make this.
Hate to burst your bubble, but it’s this one https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2013-09-06
“The Bartender yells at them to use the door like a normal person, and get out.”
If we weren’t a bunch dickheads who love fiddling with things, and instead just wanted a sensible OS that worked, we’d all be using Debian on everything.
The meme equates ‘popular’ with ‘better’. There’s a very good reason we didn’t try to make an ubuntu back in 2002, and that reason - weak/bad validation of deployed package payload - is still true today.
If you care about build/release, precise validation is important to you. It’s one of the holy trinity of build/release.
