A small business owner who voted for Donald Trump recently posted a video on TikTok, pleading for help as crushing tariffs on China threatened to bankrupt his operation, which imports alloy wheels. His call for support, however, drew little sympathy from some fellow Americans.
“Votes have consequences,” he was told, with many comments from Twitter/X users relishing the notion that another MAGA voter was suffering because of their political choice. The backlash prompted a second video from the man, in which he dropped several F-bombs while criticizing the apparent heartlessness of those celebrating his hardship.
He voted for him twice and says would vote a third time. What a pathetic piece of shit.
Its not a sports team, and people like this don’t understand that you don’t just vote one way because its the team you cheer for. Vote for what affects your life in the most positive way.
This dumb ass got what he deserves.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but I do disagree with your reasoning
Personally I don’t vote for what affects my life in the most positive way, because that seems a little selfish although it’s understandable.
I vote for what I believe affects everyone’s life more positively, even if it’s not necessarily a benefit to my specific situation. I might not be gay but I would vote for the candidate who supports gay marriage vs the one that might give me a $1000 check for tariff profits.
You vote for the greater good
…pathetic piece of terminally stupid shit.
But we have to listen to him because he’s where centrists want the party to be.
The backlash prompted a second video from the man, in which he dropped several F-bombs while criticizing the apparent heartlessness of those celebrating his hardship.
Heartless shit upset that his vote to cause extreme hardships for others is actually affecting his life.
That’s a brilliant metaphor.
“So much for the tolerant left” they cry, after punching leftists in the face for 30+ years.
All that’s left is the consequences of their own actions, anybody who would’ve been willing to help them gave up long ago.
he should say so much for the tolerant right
Its so hard for these people to understand that when you spew hate at others, whether through your actions, your words, or through your ballot, that people have less empathy for your than other people that might experience similar hardships and haven’t been spewing hate.
The whole comparison of “you laughed at Charlie thing, and now we’re laughing at ice killing” is so hard for these people to understand why most sane people view these deaths differently.
Person C spent his entire life spewing hate and saying some crazy shit that puts other people down, or in danger with his gun laws thinking, etc.
Person R was just a normal person, not spewing hate as a career.
Cue the shocked Pikachu face when they realize I care more about person R, than person C.
The ridiculous thing is that they expect any empathy at all, when a key feature of their ideology is a complete lack of empathy.
The ridiculous thing is that centrists will give them the empathy they want, no matter what they do, and then spew all their hate at the left.
The whole comparison of “you laughed at Charlie thing, and now we’re laughing at ice killing” is so hard for these people to understand why most sane people view these deaths differently.
The primary difference here is that Charlie was murdered by a citizen who was arrested as soon as his identity was uncovered and is now in custody.
Renee Good was murdered by a federal agent that has the full support of the federal government and will likely never be arrested or face any accountability.
Honestly I feel that memes can somewhat help break it down to a format even these chuckle fucks could understand if they wanted to.
I don’t think the issue is lack of understanding, they’re operating on faith logic where theyre looking for validation not information.
We laughed cause he spent years calling for political violence and then got what he asked for.
Oh no it’s not like that.
Person C was wearing my team’s colours, and person R wasn’t. Therefore person C’s death is terrible and person R’s joke is a funny joke.
Is there any reason to believe that he wouldn’t vote for him a 3rd time?
no, because he will if he has the opportunity
No, but democrats will pretend to believe he might if it means they get to move to the right.
I know y’all disagree with me but I think the schadenfraude that the left is what caused the MAGA branch of the right to begin with and we’re only making it worse.
I suspect we could sway a lot of voters by having real conversations about it rather than making fun of them.
Typically the only way to change someone’s mind is in-group pressure. I’m not this guy’s in group. Nothing I say to him is going to make a difference. I’m not in a position to spend weeks or months working my way into his friend group so I can convince him to be a better, smarter, person.
Conversations IRL, sure. But online space isn’t for that. One could easily make 1000 bot accounts “just asking questions” and create the false impression to bystanders that “both sides are the same”. That rherotic needs to be shutdown quickly or it becomes a nazi bar.
IRL, its where you can have genuine conversations because there’s that human connection of being face to face. Bernie did that, he went to a maga stronghold and managed to convert some magats. They said that “he seemed like a nice guy” and “different how TV portrays him”, so I think online space is gonna have that same disconnect, because of the lack of face to face connection.
The time for conversation is past. These people have supported and continue to support MAGA, and even put MAGA back in power. They wanted to hurt others, and they got caught in the crossfire. They worked really hard for this, they EARNED it, and they DESERVE the rewards.
And worse, if you asked this guy if he had the choice between Trump and Harris in 2028, he’d STILL vote for Trump, saying “You can’t seriously expect me to vote for her, can you?”
Fuck him, he got what he voted for multiple times.
in general, this is the better sentiment; however, the issue still remains that extremists can’t be reasoned with. once they cross a certain threshold, they lack the willpower to truly have a conversation. they only want to have their way. it becomes a feedback loop. they force those around them to adopt the same cynicism. it isn’t healthy, but still, they can’t be reasoned with. it’s not for wont of people having tried for years now.
I get what you’re saying, but we started with warnings, “hey, this horrible person is fucking horrible” and they still voted for trump to “own the libs”. At this point he is accelerating the downfall, what else are we to do? “We told you he was going to be horrible for everything, you voted for someone who actively wants to remove my existence, he was horrible for everything the first time around, but that’s ok, now that its affecting you personally everything is ok?”
people tried doing it the reasonable way. it didn’t work.
so what’s left?
also, what that guy said about in-groups — that’s valid. I’ll do everything I can to have reasonable conversations with people in person, especially those that I know, but online with random people? mock the fuck out of them.
No, it was the racism. I’ve tried having “real conversations” with these types. You just get shouted at by people who watch Fox News 24/7. A 5 minute conversation once in a while will not out weight hours and hours of being told it’s the “illegals” and homeless that are causing all the problems and the Democrats don’t do anything about it. This has been my experience going back to 9/11. They don’t want to hear from you and they will infantilize you for disagreeing with them.
I’m also not exaggerating about the 24/7 thing. My mother leaves Fox News on for the dog to watch when she’s not home. She then has some rightwing rag taking to her in her BT hearing aids when she’s not in the house.
Also, I’m not “making fun of them”. Nothing about this is fun. I’m just angry and depressed all the time. I’ve been watching this country slide down this path for over 20 years and been dismissed every time.
I don’t have schadenfreude about any of this. That is not the correct word. I get no joy or laughter from any of this shit.
Don’t care. Fuck them all.
Respectability politics won’t save you.
I suspect democrats will listen to anyone before progressives.
Shut the fuck up. This is such a bullshit rhetoric.
Too many Dems are still believing the Michelle Obama Doctrine: “When they go low, we go high.”
The Dem leadership, and many Dems as well, are OBSESSED with being polite to MAGA. They think that somehow showing kindness to people who literally want to murder vast democratic swathes is going to persuade them to be civilized, despite years of evidence to the contrary.
They’re using the most vicious propaganda, and the Dems have people who are constantly chiding the rest of us when ever we say anything provocative. When I found out that the ICE Killer’s wife was an immigrant, I mentioned that if he’s going to clean out immigrants with lethal force, maybe he should start at home, and deport his wife and whatever anchor baby kids they have. And while we’re at it, deport Melania, and Trump’s four anchor babies.
I don’t really believe that, obviously, I’m totally against the Trump Immigration Policies, but I got jumped on about perpetrating their crimes, etc. Nonsense. It was sarcasm and irony.
We won’t conquer MAGA with kindness, they are vicious hyenas. We can imprison the worst of them, but the rest we are just going to have to chase off into the dark, and deal with them when they poke their ugly little heads back up. The trick is we actually have to DEAL WITH THEM, and not ignore them, the way polite Dems did when they started getting nasty back in 1994.
Fuck universalism and the high road rhetoric bullshit. That’s how these fuckers got handed the bag on the first god damned place. These people are hateful trash and not a one of them has any chance of learning nor growing or they’d have gotten there by this fucking point. At best they respond to the consequences of their actions, but only in regards to themselves and not for anyone else’s sake, I don’t give any of them credit for learning or growing.
Talking to Magats does not mean pivoting towards the right. Its about having a real conversation about the issues, face to face.
Example: Bernie visits deep trump country, manages to convince some trumpers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP8Oxe6OxJc
Talking to Magats does not mean pivoting towards the right.
It means you’re already treating them better than the left.
Sure. Good luck with that.
Unfortunately, the history of the last decade supports that theory.
Can I blame them for me being a leftist, then? Why do they hold no blame for their own fucking thoughts and actions? Are they no more responsible for themselves and their actions than a god damned toddler? Fuck all of that. You’re wrong.
My bad, I got confused on who I was responding too, I actually agree with you.
My bad, sorry for the flak.
Yep, no worries, it was understandable 😂
So the right gets to be as evil and demonic as they want but we have to be nice to them or else
My bad, I was actually responding to the wrong thread, I agree with you.
I tried having conversations. I gave people I know copies of P2025 and the only response I got was. " What about the children?" They do not want to talk or listen to reason.
He can get a job as a picker on another farm. Maybe one owned by a big corporation. Maybe his own former farm once it’s sold. They are freeing up work conventionally done by imigrant workers, right? Hard work pays off under conservatives, right?
i had to eat notebook paper as a child, suffer beatings, and survive homelessness. pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get good, i guess?
Heartlessness for me, not for thee.
I’d love to go mock him in person and watch him rage out like the little magat baby he is
Sucks to suck, bud.
I know it’s tempting to mock people who are leaving MAGA but actually the better thing to do is seize the opportunity to educate them and hopefully get them to never vote Republican ever again.
The backlash prompted a second video from the man, in which he dropped several F-bombs while criticizing the apparent heartlessness of those celebrating his hardship…
They voted GOP to hurt others, then get upset they were caught in the cross fire and when looking for empathy are shunned
There a word for that /s
These are Cipolla’s five fundamental laws of stupidity:
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Always and inevitably, everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
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The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
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A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
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Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular, non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places, and under any circumstances, to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
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A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.
Hard to argue with that logic. He knew exactly what he was signing up for.
Cipolla was right. There’s nothing more dangerous than a person who burns their own house down just to see their neighbor’s house catch fire too.
They voted GOP to hurt others, then get upset they were caught in the cross fire
SOP. They only care when it affects them.
SOP. They only care when it affects them.
and then when it comes time to vote again, they’ll line right back up to take another beating themselves.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature of their ideology.
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The more those metaphorical leopards eat their face, the more radicalized against Trump they might become, and the more radicalized, the better.
Wheelhead got exactly what he voted for. And Republicans have the answer: grab those bootstraps.
At this point, it’s not even about economics anymore—it’s a moral failure. You can’t claim to love your country while cheering for policies that ruin your fellow citizens, only to cry when the bill finally comes for you too.
On the topic of tariffs, voters were outright lied to, so I won’t criticize people for believing it. I’d be surprised if most people graduating high school now even know what a tariff is, much less how they work.
Bummer for us even more that the worst hasn’t yet come on tariffs, and only because it takes so long for new trade agreements to take effect. In the next year or two Europe and China will have rerouted their trade around the US rather than through it.
Wikipedia can dumb it down enough for even middle school dropouts, so it’s not an excuse.
Yeah, we all carry around the entire knowledge of human existence in our pockets, saying “I never knew,” doesn’t fly anymore. The rest of us knew, what’s your excuse?
My UK family always used to ask what makes Canadians different from USAians, as they saw us all as America. And it was hard to describe.
But talking to US coworkers lately I found a common theme: While Canadians may not seem very patriotic, we do work towards a common goal of making a society better for all.
In the US every comment I hear from coworkers is “I Got Mine, so I ain’t worried.” And made me realize USA thinks patriotism is living as an individual in a grand country, but not actually caring about their country as a whole.
That’s the definition of American conservatism. That’s not a quip. Self reliance and fuck everyone else is the philosophy.
They’re not self reliant though. Most of them work for someone lol
That and other blind spots in their logic
I don’t know man, it doesn’t feel that way up here as strongly anymore. I’m increasingly seeing more american-style conservatism
Well even that seems to show we have our own style, and can feel “American” style seeping in
I think the US isn’t really a country despite what they say, it’s just a bunch of people living in the same area.
Thus the guns, cuz your on your own in the wild west
…made me realize USA thinks patriotism is living as an individual in a grand country, but not actually caring about their country as a whole.
that’s because none of us have felt represented by our government since before Regan. Why should I care about my country if it is actively hostile towards me? My entirely life it has wanted to make things impossible for me to succeed. Actively destroyed any possibility of succeeding.
the only thing I learned in my life as an American is that I’ll lie cheat and steal my way to a better tomorrow, because at the end of the day morals and ethics don’t fill your belly and warm your bed at night. it doesn’t protect my family. it doesn’t create opportunities for my kids.
fuck this country, fuck this government, fuck every single politician and corpofascist that allowed this to happen.
I’m not a bad person, I just have to be bad because they won’t let me live any other way.
… And this was one of the goals starting with the Reagan revolution, mid 1970’s.
In a democracy, it all boils down to who votes for what. Too bad that people are so susceptible to propaganda, which taps in to their fears and low moral values. It’s okay to blame the politicians, but don’t forget the voters who have given them permission.
Well, what will people in Africa say?
It sounds surreal that people in the USA would say something like that.
I confirm. I knew gringos (US persons). They are extremely individualist.
Damn. As a USAian, this sish hits hard.
