https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426 (live updates)
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Alex Jeffrey Pretti, 37.
No criminal history. A lawful gun owner with a valid conceal carry permit.
I haven’t commented on any of the content of this story until now.
Pay very close attention the the ‘agent’ wearing the grey coat, with his back to the camera before he turns around and walks towards it holding a gun.
He goes in hands empty, retrieves the gun from the suspects waistband, at the small of his back, and leaves before the first shot is fired.
Every shot was fired, by federal agents, at an unarmed individual. Plain murder.
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multiple angles synced up together (this ones being updated as new angles come in)
It seems like getting out to vote might be difficult in an environment like this. If this environment is limited to certain political areas, it might have an effect on any nationally significant democratic theatre.
Witness statement sounds like it might be from Pink Jacket.
https://bsky.app/profile/anneapplebaum.bsky.social/post/3mdaxpgr6ls2t
The video shows one of the gestapo cunts running away from the incident with a gun in his hand, which he didn’t have at first. If that’s the case and it’s the victim’s gun then he was already disarmed before the murdered him.
Anything coming from DHS/ICE or any other executive branch entity should be considered a lie until independent reporting from a non major news outlet confirms otherwise.
I do not believe that was his gun as of right now.
While you are correct, I do think it was his gun, but they lied by implying he was there to ‘assassinate’ ICE and that he approached them ‘with a gun’ (technically the truth, but the gun was no where near being used by the victim).
Newer footage shows them disarming him by removing his gun. He never had it in his hand or reached for it.
Having a gun in America is to prevent this from happening. Man was clearly being assaulted, where’s the “self-defense” argument for citizens?
I will DEFEND to MY DEATH the Right to SHOOT UP A SCHOOL! And this Man CLEARLY was NOT Shooting up a School!
-Republicans!
I am really sure it was is gun. Even before he was shot dead. Yeah sure.
I’ve watched this video several times, pausing at every frame I could. You briefly see the guy’s hands. None of them were holding a gun. Just because he was carrying wasn’t an excuse to shoot him. Especially when you had enough agents present to control each limb at that point shooting the suspect was more hazardous to the other officers around. Let alone the 5 extra rounds they fired into him while he was lying flat on his back. They’re desperately trying to find a justification for this.
Watch the Nazi in the grey jacket, very clearly nothing in his hands. He jumps in and is visibly digging at the victims waistband. Then, as another Nazi executes the victim, you can see the greyshirt skuttle away with the brown gun they’re picturing. One Nazi had his gun when the other Nazi shot him.
The agent wearing a grey coat goes in empty handed, retrieves the suspects gun from his waistband at the small of his back, then exits holding the weapon before the first shot is fired.
He was in possession of a firearm; but he was disarmed before agents opened fire and murdered him. At no point was he holding the gun and/or a threat.
I don’t get it…
So if you have a gun you get shot dead. But USA has been holding on to the right of guns for ages… But for what reason? If you get shot for having one I don’t see the point
I think globally we need to start coming to terms with the fact that America is not a country of “logic” and “reason”.
I think globally we need to start coming to terms with the fact that America is
not a country of “logic” and “reason”a very palpable threat to global safety akin the Nazi Germany in the late 1930s.Maybe it’s because I live here, but I’ve been saying that for years.
Logic does not apply to the US. It never has. Well at least since I started forming memories here.
$$$ is how it’s spelled in America
He didn’t get shot for having one. He got shot just because. It appears they conveniently “found” a gun on him afterwards in order to fabricate some justification for killing him. Even if it was his own gun, it clearly wasn’t in his hands at any point in this clip.
I think the gun was actually there, nowhere near being used, and they found it before shooting him.
My guess, someone saw a gun, yelled ‘gun’, and an agent assumed that must have meant that somehow magically the guy had a gun in his hands that he didn’t see and just opened fire…
Or else he drew his gun to be prepared for a gunfight and pulled the trigger…
Or someone else made the case that the ICE guy who took the gun from the victim ended up discharging the gun into the ground as a first shot, and another officer heard that gunfire and just started blasting, with no idea where the shot was fired from or toward.
So in short, yeah, he had a gun on his person, in no way a threat to the ICE people since his hands never went anywhere near it, and ICE fired on him.
Terrible enough incident on its own, even worse is Noem lying to justify it and declare no possible wrongdoing or even improper procedure, and again they are impeding real law enforcement investigation…
I think OP of the post is correct. Play the video in slow motion and watch the grey coat guy. He approaches with empty hands and appears to retrieve a weapon from the suspect’s back and is walking away with it before the first shot is fired.
So the suspect was likely unarmed when the shooting starts.
I’m assuming these brainwashed zombies known as ICE, have been ordered to plant guns on protestors.
Any link that doesn’t require a log in?
There was no reason… pure murder
Yeah, just shoots him while he’s on the ground. Wtf.
Every single person involved with ICE and DHS needs to be strung up on gibbets lining the national mall. We need to leave them and the gibbets there until they rot away entirely, as a long hard reminder of what happens when you allow even an ounce of fascism to thrive.
They will just keep killing people until we do.
They are. They’re in the video.
That will only give them ammunition and the right optics to become even more oppressive. But there are concrete steps we can take to combat the regime with our last non-violent pathways (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in [email protected] to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
I’d also highly recommend anyone reading this to read Full Spectrum Resistance if you can for further info.
You have 2 options realisticaly: move or fight. Soft-speech just let’s them accumulate more power.
It would be foolish to fight before our most powerful non-violent tools are even tried. Businesses are already shaken up by he 1 day general strike in Minneapolis, we just need to sustain a longer one, look how effective it was in Chile against a violent government.
Do not be quick to rush into other means, especially when the enemy is already losing the optics war this badly, and thus losing popular support. Ideally you’d let them lose enough public support and generate enough public anger that you may even have blue state’s national guard joining the resistance if things do become violent, which would be a great boon.
Remember, these tactics were far more effective in Nazi Germany because Hitler and the Nazi party were loved by the majority, to the point that Germans in positions capable of initiating a resistance chose not to, due to the reality that the party was so loved, the populace would reject and destroy any resistance effort. That is not the case in the US.
I really wish you’d post that as a separate post in a Lemmy community where a lot of people would find it in
You have my full permission to copy and repost this anywhere you think it would get the most eyeballs, I would be most grateful if you did, actually!
Do you have the full code for that post?
If you’re using lemmy from the standard browser UI, you can click the little paper with folded edge icon at the bottom of a comment or post to expose the raw markdown version of the text.
Can I credit you?
Sure, if you’d like, though my comment is an amalgamation of my own writing and the writings of my co-admins, @[email protected] and @[email protected], which we assembled for our instance’s Monthly Meta posts.
The armed American in this instance was murdered by armed nazis.
sadly what happened. all the guns in the world are of no use if you are in his situation.
some of the black panthers got it right: organised, trained and are bringing their legal big guns very openly and in big numbers. pretty sure that acts as a deterrent.
but if you are alone in that poor guys situation, the nazis could beat him to death with sticks… which kind of was a nazi tactic (sturmabteilung was mainly a goon squad)
Well guess which side has been campaigning for decades to limit gun ownership…
This murder was 1,300 miles away. Shall I go up there and hunt them. Please provide explicit instructions. I’ll wait right here smartass.
Yes.
America 101:
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there is a problem (government overreach)
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the only solution must be guns (hunt them)
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but i would have to get up from the sofa (I’m soo far away)
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so I will do nothing, and play victim online
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You should organize locally, not necessarily in Minneapolis. This is a country-wide problem, and while this particular incident happened 1300 miles away from you, there are undoubtedly people being terrorized by ICE much closer to you. You could join the closest PSL chapter, unionize your workplace, and join mutual aid organizations and mutual defense orgs close to you. Don’t feel alienated by the calls to action, feel included, everyone can help
I read that Minnesota has the highest rate of registered voters who vote in every election. This is probably why they are targeted.
Voter registration was highest in Minnesota at 83.6% https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-voters-have-a-party-affiliation/
Interestingly, more Minnesotans are registered Republican than Democrat or Independent. So… I wonder how this little Nazi Brownshirt brutalism bit is playing on the denizens registered Republican?
I’m assuming most of this chaos is not happening in republican electoral districts…
nope, and surprisingly not in the rich districts, like NYC or norcal.wish they hit schumers and JEFFERIES district. also because zohran already met with trump , and billionaires in the bay area already warned him ahead of time.
i think hes hitting tim’s state hard because he is stepping down for the race next election, as he should.
Not yet. My guess is they’ll save the red states for last.
That’s not even a murder, that is a straight up execution.
Fuck ice, all ice members should be strung upmfrom a tree.
This was inevitable and there will be more until ICE goes home or until the protesters give up.
Apparently the guy was armed with a gun. Might the first shot have been from him?
- You can see them take his gun and ran away with it before any shots are fired. They waited until he was disarmed to murder.
How the fuck would anyone pull of a shot while being pinned by that many people? Do you actually believe that or are you just spouting whatever bullshit allows you to defend fascists?
Very unlikely I know. I’m doing my best not to jump to conclusions or take sides.
If you’re “not taking sides” when one side consists of fascists and nazis, you have taken a side
For what it’s worth, I voted for Harris and I live 20 minutes from where this happened.
That isn’t worth shit when you’re giving the nazis the benefit of the doubt. What the fuck is wrong with you.
It’s long past time to start taking sides.
By jumping to far less likely conclusions?
Even if he did draw his gun it doesn’t matter, ICE had 7 men on him, they had maced him and they have bullet resistant vests on. He also didn’t break any laws and had the right to carry the gun for self defence.
What exactly is your point!?
How long until ice starts unloading full cartriges into crowds of protestors and vice-versa? This is really shaping up to be an actual civil war. Trump and his cohort was used to the politicians of democrats and not the actual people who vote for them because theres no better choice. These people will fight back. It will take one of those black panthers with a handheld cannon to be arround when something similar to this happens. Im surprised it hasnt escalated yet. I have mixed feelings about this cause i know theres no such thing as a peacefull revolution but seeing not only the innocent but even the the perpetrators die violently pains my heart. A lot of us arent idealists but we still enjoy peace, but the voilent and disgusting ruling class is forcing all of us to change and accept that violence is the solution. It was in the case of fascist italy, nazi germany and now fascist usa as well. Good luck my fellow people who just want to have a normal life but were born on the wrong side of the north atlantic.
We should not be focusing protests at these ICE fucks, and we should not be protesting in cities and working-class neighborhoods.
Every atrocity committed by the agents of this oligarchy, we need to be picketing the oligarchs.
Here’s five good places to start.
Why do Americans put up with this?
Why don’t YOU do something about it?
should we invade?
I vote yes. But we should start with a blockade, to hasten the collapse. Prepare to trap and wear-down the inevitable strike package. Once their trillion dollar toys are gone, they are down to a level they are far less familiar with.
Nah, let it burn. Better they nuke themselves than any of the rest of us.
Advocate for murder of innocent civilians, excellent. Well done. Good foresight. Nothing could go wrong.
I’m not an American. It’s not my country. I will not fix your problem for you.
A bunch of morons elect a convicted felon pedophile for president. He turns out to be a fascist cunt (no one was surprised outside of the USA and everyone kept telling you). And then somehow the rest of the world needs to fix your problems? Nah, we are gonna enjoy watching that shithole burn.
Trump didnt win the popular vote in 2016. He lost in 2020. Then he wins with 49% in a freak election. Opposing party has been calling him fascist from day 1. But glad you get sadistic pleasure from the suffering of innocents who had nothing to do with this fascist admin.
Well if that’s the case, I guess everything that’s happening in the USA is okay, or at least definitely not the fault of the people living there.
You did a good job by not voting for anyone and staying at home. That showed Trump that he doesn’t have the popular vote to be a fascist!
I guess it must be the fault of those pesky freeloading Europeans for not doing more.
The whole world is suffering at the hands of the president you elected and somehow the rest of the world should feel sorry for you?
Fuck off your high horse and fix your shithole, because no one can do it for you, or just shut the fuck up and enjoy the ride you created.
“B-b-buT i DiDnT vOtE fOr HiM” is what you’re gonna tell me, aren’t you?
Fyi, Hitler was never elected, yet Americunts did elect a convicted felon pedophile while the rest of the world kept telling you wtf are you doing supporting that cunt.
And then that elected cunt goes to commit war crimes, threaten to invade its allies, and creates havoc in the world economy, hurting just about every ally you have.
And you want the world to do what? Invade you to help you? You fucking elected him. Deal with him.
First of all I vote in every election, phone bank and canvassed when younger, actively protested multiple years when younger seeing fellows around me arrested en masse, and I always supported Biden/Kamala in the recent election despite myself being much more left and a Palestine supporter/believe in Israeli genocide/apartheid. I am the last person in my immediate family with no one to take care of my animals or aging peripheral relatives, and you eurocunts and rabid leftists judge me collectively with the nation unless I directly join a revolution. I was born into this with no consent in my choice of government and inceedibly limited influence and I will proudly flee than throw my life away and have my last moments be bleeding out alone. I will still speak out freely, and always defend myself and innocents around me best I can, but no one should be forced to be a martyr. Your collective judgment against all of us shows how immature you still are thinking. The USA is huge and more like a collective of smaller countries and it’s insane to compare us morally responsible akin to electing Hitler when it’s so obvious where and who is voting for this Christo-fascist nightmare. Rust belt, bible belt, deep south racist neo-confederates. But yeah keep spewing your vindictive accusatory garbage at me I’m sure it’s super helpful.
Liberals are caught up in great man theory. Project 2025 didn’t care which conservative reactionary was elected. Stop giving Trump credit for The Heritage Foundation’s work. I don’t care where monsters live. I’m down to slay them.
popular votes dont really count towards electing a president anyways. the disporportiante representation of EC, and voter suppression is where is it all at.
especially a pedophile that wants to commit incest, and emulates hitler.
Don’t forget the other gigantic bunch of morons who neglected to vote because their weak little minds are easily manipulated by divide-and-conquer propaganda, bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL, all you gotta do is stroke their ego a little bit: “You’re the righteous one by staying home and sitting on your lazy ignorant ass on Election Day! They should give you a goddamned medal for not participating!”, even though the mouth-breathers showed the entire world EXACTLY who they are, since 2015 and more importantly, on January 6, 2021.
THIS WAS ALL EASILY PREVENTABLE
Fascism has only been defeated from the inside through communist organizations in history. Bolsheviks against the Black Hundreds and the Whites, Communist Party of China against Kuomintang, or Cuban Revolutionaries against the Batista regime. The hundred years of anticommunist propaganda in the USA have made it very difficult for communist antifascist organizations to thrive in the US, but it is not too late. Americans can still join local mutual defense orgs, communist organizations like the PSL, and local defense groups
The bloods and crips are no longer the deadliest gang in America.
hasn’t that always been people who own cars?
Haven’t been in a looooong time.
Cops have always been the oldest, most established, and deadliest gang in America. They’re just a state-sanctioned gang.
Don’t believe me? Check out what cops do to other cops who blow the whistle on the crooked ones. It’s mobster bullshit.
They are way more deadly than ICE or USBP. You think two people tipped the scale?
“Where my thuggers and my crippers and my blooders and my brothers? When you niggas gon’ unite and kill the police, motherfuckers?” - Run the Jewels, Close your Eyes
What’s gonna be next? Night of the Long Knives for people who are against it?
