“It is not a mild infection, it is not a mild virus; it is a severe illness. And they kept on telling me they wish they’d known beforehand how bad measles was, so that they could have protected their family,” she said.
I had measles as a kid in the 80s, either before I was old enough for the vax or a breakthrough case, unclear which as idk the recommended schedules from the 80s. I was in the hospital for weeks. I take vaccination very seriously, get every single one I can, and was quite pleased to have gotten all my childhood vaccinations a second time as an adult, just to be absolutely sure (my records went missing and it was required for my job).
Why is alternate universe Trevor Moore from 2050 in the screenshot?
Measles is worse than the actual illness, which bad and kills. It resets the immune system so the immunity that is built up over a lifetime is lost. Definitely don’t get it as an adult.
You see, the reason you didn’t know was because we had eradicated it before you morons decided you were smarter than the entire science and medical community because you watched some youtube videos
Algorithmic engagement prioritized this shit over established medical science. Big Tech undermined all the pillars of society. What a fucking mess.
Capitalism. Capitalism caused this. Big Tech is just a vessel that is used by capitalists to further their agenda.
Big Tech is a force multiplier. It amplifies the scale and scope of the damage. To make an analogy, it’s like replacing muskets with machine guns. Capitalism was headed this direction long before tech came along, but with tools like these in their pocket, the scale of the disinformation went from “a serious problem” to “an existential crisis”, and the tools we have to resist it are simply incapable of holding the line against the firehose of BS.
That’s what I was trying to say, but I like your explanation better than mine. 😅
incapable of holding the line against the fire hose of BS
Also known as Brandolini’s law
The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.[1][2]
At the end of the day those people chose to believe some random blog over medical journals, university publications, and the advice of doctors. There is no other word for that than stupidity, algorithms or no.
Blaming stupidity itself fails to address those who seek to exploit it.
No matter the cause or effect, stupidity is the root of the problem. You can’t exploit a weakness that doesn’t exist.
Human nature is the root problem. It encompasses stupidity, greed, and violence, and many other traits - all of which are available to every human.
i love it when people say “i’m too smart for propaganda to work on me” because all i have to do is find out their rough location to find what propaganda they’ve been falling for.
It’s a good thing that’s not what I said then isn’t it
Unfortunately, I was reading somewhere recently (I think it might have been a t-shirt?) that, “you can’t fix stupid.”
You can. I fixed myself to some extend
extend
Are you sure?
I once had a neighbor tell me they “didn’t agree with liberal views on vaccines.”
You know, like germs give a flying fuck about your political views.
The irony? This person is a nurse.
Nurses are either brilliant, wonderful, helpful people, joe-schmoe’s looking to make a buck, or radical traditionalist women who think that it’s ok to be a nurse because it’s women’s work.
If it were a different country, I’d be ratting her ass out to the medical board.
I worked in nursing for a while
I worked with a few excellent people, many average people, and a horrifyingly large number of absolute fucking halfwits
I worked in a nursing home during Covid, including when the vaccine came out and it became mandatory for employees. Despite going through school to become nurses or aides, as well as witnessing all the horrors of Covid with their own eyes, some people chose to quit instead of get the vaccine.
I had no words, and I still have no words.
I have several words
Such as “fucking morons” and “useless wastes of oxygen”
That’s my experience with the medical field as well. It breaks my heart, I used to trust doctors, but after some interesting experiences I am now convinced it’s all a minstrel show held together with bailing wire.
I think it helps that I’m lucky enough to live in a civilised country, rather than 'Murica
we had eradicated it
Clearly we hadn’t.
We horded the vaccine domestically, patented efficient methods for manufacturer and distribution, and curtailed it’s use in states we considered too poor or too evil.
Some of the highest rates of measles today can be found in Yemen, a country we’ve been bombing since the early '10s.
We didn’t exterminate the disease. We incubated it. And now we’re reaping what we’ve sown.
we also curtail other vaccines too, like HPV limited to women MOSTLY unless some how you can convince your doc/insurance to approve it, Meningicoccal menigitis vaccine, we know majority isnt “susceptible” enough to be eligble but still.
There’s also the shingles vaccine, which (at least, in the US) is typically reserved for those 50+. I could understand if they limited the vaccine for those young enough to have been immunized against chicken pox. However, that vaccine wasn’t released here until 1995, well after many of us (particularly Millennials and younger Gen X) already caught the disease. This leaves those of us under 50 in a vulnerable gap, where we’re susceptible to shingles, but not allowed to be vaccinated against it. Of course it’s especially dangerous for older folks, but that doesn’t mean shingles won’t kick the ass of an otherwise healthy 35 year old.
I personally fall into this gap, and I’m pretty pissed about it. I know people younger than me who’ve already experienced shingles, and it’s frankly terrifying.
It was taught in our schools, along with the black plague and others.
Should be a law if you don’t trust science to get vaccinated, you can’t use hospital resources when you’re sick. Do your research and figure it out.
Seems like self-deportation to a faraway island would be a win-win. Thrive, die, they can do whatever they like with minimal impact on the rest of society.
Let’s abandon the Hippocratic oath and switch to MAGA tactics!
Do no harm != help everyone all the time
It means if someone needs healing you heal them, end of story. Choosing to not help is doing harm.
This circle of hate is sad and worrying. The solution to this measles problem is more education and leaders that really care about their population, not stupid campism. What is gained by not treating the stupid fucks who refuse the vaccine because they think they know better? They will become a contagion vector and die in their conviction, and you get to feel smug I guess. Be the better person, don’t stoop to their level.
Especially not with measles, that shit is way too dangerous and way too contagious.
The idiots will cull themselves
And get innocent people killed in the pr
They’ll do that either way.
I honestly believe that this will happen over a long period of time. As more diseases and pandemics come back, the people who don’t get vaccinated will die in larger numbers, leading to natural selection against stupidity. Unfortunately it will also take out the vulnerable.
ive seen more infections circulating around ever since Mr brainworms removed any vaccine mandates, or defunded vaccine research. now we also see people resisting getting vaccines in general now too.
Or planes or cars or computers, etc, etc.
Sounds great in theory, absolutely rancid in practice. It would lead to a massive increase in infections in people who actually did get vaccinated or who are otherwise immunocompromised.
Also in this case it would just punish those poor children even more for the stupidity of their parents.
How about we take in the sick kids, and file charges of child neglect on the parents?
If only there was some way to protect yourself. /s
And they kept on telling me they wish they’d known beforehand how bad measles was, so that they could have protected their family
We’ve been trying to tell you, but you stuck your fingers in your ears and insisted you knew better. And once you’re over the measles, instead of using this newly-acquired realization to revisit some of your positions, you’ll stick your fingers right back in your ears and refuse to listen to us about anything else you’re wrong about. So enjoy your measles, and all of the diseases you’re going to catch again because measles reset your immune system, and I fucking hope you get shingles.
Sadly, it’s not usually those that make the decision not to vaccinate that are infected. It’s their children. Most parents have had mandatory vaccination.
I think that puts an additional degree of ick to the whole thing. You can do your “research” and decide that “the vaccine is worse than the disease it prevents,” but don’t do so while you are protected, endangering others that you claim to love.
At what point should other countries ban travel from the US?
Since 2021 (when Covid19 vaccines were rolled out in the “Western” world and normal life gradually returned). Maybe already earlier, but travel was restricted anyhow.
Good reasons have only been mounting since then.
Add travel advisory warnings for people going there.
November 6th, 2024
I would even say 2004
I mean, you can, but the cases in the US were imported from elsewhere: the ones in the Northeast are generally from heavily Orthodox Jews traveling to or from Israel; the cases in the southwest started among the Mennonite community and was imported from Mennonites in Mexico. Unfortunately, vaccine resistance is pretty high among both groups.
The better way to handle it would be to require that travelers to your country have been vaccinated, and that refugees and asylum seekers are kept in quarantine and given vaccinations before they’re paroled to the general public. There’ll still be people who slip through the cracks - immigrants who manage to avoid processing, people traveling on small boats or small planes, etc - but it would be a start. Unfortunately, I don’t know how well that plays with all the various “free travel” rules.
Record it and make it a PSA. “The more you know”
Imagine a parallel universe where there’s enough trust in a government that compels Google to algorithmically push that PSA to every user who has been consuming antivax content. We could still have it all if we take back the helm.
I do wonder how much that would cost. Just 5 seconds of them going “holy shit it hurts so bad. Don’t let them fool you.” Make it a targeted ad.
I’m already pro-vax, but I started to watch a video of a baby with pertussis (whooping cough) and I had to turn it off almost immediately because it was so viscerally tragic
Yeah, assholes like Musk and RFK wanting people to get this are some evil motherfuckers. Doubly so because they’re all vaxxed or have the money to make sure it’s just an inconvenience if THEY get it - pretty sure if health care was equal and they had to wait in line and suffer like “the poors” this shit would cease. I’ve heard that this is some white supremacist crap, “ stronger genes will prevail” and thrive and that kind of bullshit. And each time, I just wonder what kind of monsters exist that want to subject anybody to this shit. It ‘s depressing as hell. Go vote in the primaries and this fall.
rfk jr has always been anti-vaxxers like for decades. hes a useful tool for other anti-vaxxer midwesterners out there to gather voter support.
its one of the unusual infections that is more severe in children, one other one is RSV. HFMD seems severe for some adults though
i thought the thumbnail was Trevor from wkuk at first…
Where’s Dr. Kyle when you need him, right?
It was the fuck aroundest of times It was the find outest of times
Antivaxxers should love measles because there’s a chance it can completely wipe out your immune system which is like a human factory reset.
Red Oblast problems and these clowns will continue to listen to the cocaine snorting, off filthy toilet seats, idiot.
In April 1975, at nine years old, I had chicken pox, measles, and strep throat, one right after the other. I know when it was, because I remember laying on the couch, watching TV and seeing that the Vietnam War had ended. I didn’t even know there was a war.
I suppose I got through it okay because I was young and also lucky. I do remember it was pretty fucking awful. Especially needing to try to keep up with my school work at home.
You know how there’s always this one lingering childhood resentment that’s hard to let go of? Here’s mine:
I don’t remember exactly how old I was, just that it was some age when candy and presents were really important. But however old I was at the time, I got chicken pox as a kid (no vaccines for it back then).
I got it around Halloween, and my parents wouldn’t let me go out trick-or-treating. I objected strongly because, you know, candy! So they sent my sisters out with a spare pillowcase to collect candy for me, which they dutifully did.
When they got back, instead of coming into the house, they sat down on the sidewalk a couple houses away and dumped each pillowcase into it’s own separate pile. Then they traded out all of my chocolate for all of their Mary Janes and Bit o’ Honeys. I had literally no chocolate or other preferred candy in my bag, it was all the crap candy no one ever wanted. I complained to my parents and was told that I should be grateful just to be getting any candy at all.
Two months later, both my sisters got chicken pox. My grandparents, saying how awful it must be to have chicken pox over the holidays, gave them extra Christmas presents. This is my lingering childhood resentment, and the injustice of it still stings.
VARICELLA was pretty pervasive prior to 1995-2000s, everyone had it, even with vaccine it wont give you full immunity against varicella infection, or stops it from becoming dormant. apparently if you get chickenpox before the vaccine, it does little against shingles reactivation. i was in a sub where people were getting subclinical wild type of chickenpox and then shingles like 10+years later.
My mom’s friends brought their kids over when I got chicken pox for a party, as they used to. I remember wondering what the hell was going on. This was a year or two after you got the trifecta. Chicken pox was bad enough, that must have sucked.
i remember had to get aveeno bath for chickenpox, dint realize i had the vaccine in '99 until i checked, because i got shingles like late 2000s.
If coronavirus comes back, the Untied States is fucked
