Some of the seven Democrats who voted for Noem say they’d now oppose her in the wake of Trump’s aggressive deportation plans and last week’s incident involving Sen. Alex Padilla.
Five days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, seven Senate Democrats voted to confirm Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security.
Nearly 5 months later, most of them are critical of her, with some going as far as to say they regret their votes.
“I’m very disappointed. I’m very disappointed in her,” Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., told NBC News this week. “If I were voting on her today, I definitely wouldn’t vote for her.”
Freshman Sen. Andy Kim, D-N.J., also said he would vote differently and oppose her nomination if he could do it again.
If you’re that smooth brained that you voted for her you should be kicked out of office immediately and your post should be made available for somebody with an IQ that is larger than my shoe size.
There. Is. No. Excuse.
Same for voting for any of trumps nominees
And yet EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT has voted to confirm at least one of Trump’s nominees.
look were in the minority what do you expect us to do, vote no or hold up everything like those dirty republicans???
Come on, no one is this dumb. The senators knew they’d do this from the moment they voted to confirm. This is just premeditated political backtracking to fix as much damage as they can now that they’ve received their reciprocal favors.
Indeed. Any Democrat who voted for that piece of shit should be primaried.
Better, they should resign, go home, and self-immolate.
Good morning, idiots. Did it never cross your little minds that a Trumpist candidate could be anything but pure shit on legs?
Exactly. This is why I have so little respect for Democrats these days. They go on TV and call red alert and say Trump is awful and Trump is horrible and we all have to do everything we can to oppose Trump, and then they go ahead and rubber stamp his candidates and his agenda, refusing to use political options that are very much open to them create the opposition they are so loudly claiming is necessary.
If Trump is truly that awful, they could simply refuse to confirm his candidates, make them fight tooth and nail and bargain with them for every single vote.
But they did not. So the only conclusions are either a, they did not actually feel Trump was awful and all the red alert press conferences were just performant political theater, or b, they have not actually stood up for real principle or wielded real power in so long they don’t remember how to do it.IMO, it was performative. I think the Democratic Party for the most part is controlled opposition for the owner-class. It’s foolish to continue to support them, or really any facet of this oppressive government.
Clean 'em all out and let’s build anew.
Yup. We need a new party, with the goal of overhauling the political system so that we aren’t stuck with Geronocrats nor Turdpublicans. First past the post has led to being forced to choose between a log and diarrhea.
Vote Drumph and his various human shaped Cabinet butt plugs out of power first. As shockingly bad as the dems are, the GOP is still far worse.
Nobody said they weren’t, but they amount to the same problem in reality. I’m also tired of doing the same thing over and over and expecting new results. We’ve done it your way for decades and all they do is capture all leftward pressure and defuse it. Forcing our march ever rightward. They work for the owner class, not for you or me.
We’re in this situation because of your line of thinking. On average there are 40% of eligible voters that don’t vote, and that’s in the Presidential race only. It’s much higher for nearly all offices, outside of the ones we vote on every 4 years. I believe this apathy is brought about because these people see no value in voting, as it changes nothing meaningful in their lives. This isn’t to say that they weren’t better, but anytime they had to make progressive moves, they make conservative ones that benefit the owner class.
At some point it’s time to wake up and do something different.
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Nope. Your line of thinking keeps him in power forever. Drumph must GO, asap. Worry about the rest afterwards.
I’m not a Trump fan. But I’ve been an adult long enough to remember this being said about just about every election. That yeah we should do better we will eventually do better but not this time, right now it’s most important to get rid of the other party or make them lose the election no matter what. It’s the same thing every few years.
It’s like hitting the snooze button over and over and over again, if you keep hitting it eventually your alarm times out or you just end up late for work.
Propaganda is one hell of a drug, ain’t it?
Sure is :(
Funny. I’m 70 years old and have never heard that argument before. It’s also funny that you consider 2 week Donnie and his daily fuckups, as somehow equal to other, actually sane and somewhat competent presidents. Only 100+ days in, and the damage he has already inflicted is incalculable. USA will never recover it’s international reputation and prestige, ever. He and his gang of billionaire incompetents have destroyed millions of lives, and now he’s working on starting WW3. Only a magat would find equivalency here, Mr “I’m not a trump fan” LOL.
With respect, if you’ve never in 70 years heard the argument that ‘this specific election is too important, we have to nominate the best chance to beat the other guy’, then you must either not be paying attention or your memory is failing you.
In fact, go back to 2016 and that is exactly what happened. Hillary was seen as the ‘safe’ option to put up against Trump, Bernie was the ‘radical candidate who wouldn’t get broad popular support’.I am NOT drawing an equivalence between Donald Trump and other presidents. I am talking purely about campaigns and the discourse about them.
I don’t like Trump, but he’s on his second term. He’s done. He’s not running for election again. The question is, what do we do in 2028? Who do we put forward for the nation’s consideration?
Is it going to be another Hillary / Kamala type ‘safe’ candidate? Because they haven’t done so well of late.
Or is it going to be somebody who has a strong message of principle, someone who can energize millions in the same way that Barack Obama did and Donald Trump did more recently?
Too fucking bad.
Your regret is worth no more than any regret expressed by US voters who voted for Chump.
Like those US voters, you knew what you’d get, you were warned, you were told, and you ignored all of that and did it anyway for whatever chickenshit reasons you may have had at the time.
Fuck. Right. Off. Shove your “guilt/regret/whatever” straight up your collective ass.
Fucking tired of Dems “saying the right things” and saying it too late when they can’t undo what they did and are simply attempting to rehabilitate their reputation. You have no reputation to rehabilitate, you ultimate performative cowards.
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Your regret
you knew
you were warned
you were told
you ignored
Shove your “guilt/regret/whatever”
You have no reputation
you ultimate performative cowards
Do you think you’re writing to them directly? Brah…we have news for you.
Yooo, Democratic Senators, fuck youuuu!
Signed, an independent US citizen who has repeatedly voted for your shitty controlled opposition candidates because it was glaringly obvious to me SEVERAL YEARS AGO that anything Trump brings to the table is significantly worse for humanity than your bland business as usual.
Like, Trump was so, so bad that in retrospect it makes more sense that HE was the controlled opposition so that status quo capitalist corporate democrats could win their elections and keep the people “happy enough” while letting the elites play their games.
But no. Now he is much worse, mask-off, nominating unqualified morons and traitors to help administrate the federal government, and you fuckups in the “at least we aren’t an openly bigoted death cult” party did not stop it in cases where you could have.
trump was
Literally a plot by the clinton campaign, yes. They thought he’d be an easy win, even for her, after ratfucking sanders.
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Have you considered that them not stopping it when they could have is because we didn’t vote for them afterwards, so they didn’t have power before the election?
Ummm…what?
So, are you saying that they voted to confirm her out of…spite? And you are presenting that as an argument on their defense???
Are you…an idiot?
No, just that it’s our fault they keep throwing every opportunity to resist.
i hope you get to tell this to a tribunal that tries you for cooperating with fascists once this is over
Americans will pack the tribunal with judges instead of antifascists.
As a minority party with essentially no control of anything your only job is to make the majority’s job as hard as possible and they couldn’t even do that!
Don’t worry, as soon as Trump crosses Schumer’s red line of disregarding the supreme court the Democrats will spring into action!
… They’ll spring into action any day now
… Any day now
Democrats: 🦗🦗🦗
What do you mean? Theyre acting right now to address the wild chaos of the Trump admin and calling their stock brokers as we speak
They’ll spring into action by waving a finger at him and going tsk tsk
Hey, easy now. The Supreme Court already said there’s no need for that
It’d be sooo mean. I’d better resign. It’d show them how I’m angy at them.
I hard disagree with what you said, but you are also correct with the political situation.
A minority party in a normal world shouldn’t only be obstructionist. They should ideally all work together to make the best outcomes for the constituents. This is a functional democracy.
Now that our democracy is in absolute decay on the path to a fascist takeover (if not already there), you are absolutely right.
Maybe pedantic, but I feel like it’s important to remember how things should function.
WTAF. This is some real Susan Collins type of energy.
Did they furrow their brows? Wring their hands?
Wow who could have seen this one coming from 6 months away? Certainly not everyone except establishment Democrats.
Primary these useless fuckers.
Oh my fucking god the DNC is so goddamn feckless. It damages my calm whenever I think about it.
the DNC is as hostile to the american people as Republicans are. Its time to stop pretending they arent, the DNC is just a weaker, more pathetic arm of the RNC
Thats the dumbest pile of garbage I read all week. The republicans are actively destroying your country, using the military against protestors, ignoring rulings made by judges and much more.
Democrats are not fighting hard enough against it but to claim they are both the same is insanity. Srsly americans really are so stupid, they deserve everything they get.
They may not be the “same”, but the outcome over the arc of several congressional terms and presidential administrations effectively is. No fascist power comes to primacy without a neoliberal faction suppressing policy reforms for the working class and coordinating with fascists to protect corruption.
Like I said they dont do enough. Yet they are the only ones who can do something and everyone who legally could but did not vote for Harris is responsible for this and deserves what is happening
And thanks to democrats voting alongside with confirming a lot of positions and other things republicans wanted, They were able to do that.
So how about you fuck off with this hand wringing bullshit about the poor innocent democrats who are inviting the nazi’s to sit at their table, to eat, and be merry?
How about you fuck off with acting like democrats are as evil as republicans? People like you are the reason Trump won. If you have not voted for democrats in the last election you are just as responsible as every Trump voter and deserve what you are getting.
Go lick boots elsewhere, troll.
Now, take it with grain of salt but as far as I, as a outsider, see it…
The biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans is the amount of balls. Republicans have the balls, and are willing to smack them to the wall to get what they want.
Democrats instead prefer to taking the easiest possible way out and not do anything. But at the end of the day, both are liking where this circus is going.
Nah. Democrats at least want to keep the status quo, the good ones want to improve things. Libertarians and republicans actively want to worsen stuff. Both want even more power for corperations. Republicans want fascism.
I AGREE! The Democrats are NOT to blame For HELPING Confirm the People Destroying our Country while doing NOTHING to Slow them Down EXCEPT for Giving them LITERALLY Whatever they Want!
I’m half convinced the DNC is a conservative psyop
The Democrats are a conservative party. They want to get back to the days when the parties had no ideological differences and were just clubs that voters picked personalities they liked most.
That ended during the progressive era, when some politicians (in both parties) got ideas about making the country better for working class people. The Republicans had more friends that were rich as fuck so they started propaganda campaigns among Republican voters and the progressive Republicans were primaried out of office.
Now the Democrats are stuck with the leftist label they don’t really want. Some of their voters do, but only some. American voters want leftist policies to be enacted but are allergic to leftist politicians and organizing.
At some point we will have to recognize that they are not feckless, they are working in concert.
Enhance your calm, John Spartan!
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Do nothing democrats holy shit my god I can’t breathe
America is hopeless
I can’t even read this shit anymore. I’m almost more furious with the Democrats than the republicans at this point. Every single nominee should have been a knock-down, drag-out fight. We’d be better off with an empty cabinet than the array of lickspittles and lunatics in there now.
It’s really bad when Tulsi Gabbard is one of the only trustworthy people in the administration.
I agree, except using Tulsi Gabbard and “trustworthy” in the same sentence should be a crime.
Ok, yes - I’m off to jail.
I mean, the only thing I believe from her is that Iran are not making Nuclear weapons (so said her intelligence agency). Apparently Donald is mad at her for saying that.
Not directing this to you, specifically, but if you’re in the US and you feel similarly, please please please use this anger at this “slow” part of the political cycle to get involved in your local political scene.
This can look like uplifting people who align with your values in political organizations, volunteering in a specific candidate’s campaign to get them on the primary ballot, or even running for a local office yourself (yes you, even if you don’t think you’re qualified).
The people doing this “unsexy” work between elections are the people who eke out actual change. They always need more support during this time, and by becoming involved, you can see the impacts of your efforts, and get the right kind of people on primary ballots.
When these people win local and state offices, they build momentum (read: fundraising) and gain political experience they can leverage to run for even higher offices.
It’s still a lot of work, and it’s slow, but it’s the realistic, proven path to affecting politics when you’re not a nepobaby, a constitutional law professor, or a D-list celebrity.
All that being said, I very much support other activism for fighting the creeping threat of total fascism in the meantime as well.
Knock down drag out fight ends the same way in the same amount of time. Noem got 50 Republican senators that voted for her. That’s an automatic win for her unless Vance went against Trump’s pick.
They only need 51 if there are 50 against, and there wasn’t, some Republicans sat out as well. In the end they are dumbasses for bitching but their efforts wouldn’t change the vote with her
She shot a puppy for acting like a puppy.
What part of that makes you think she’s a sane and rational human being able to run a huge government organization and not want to cause harm to fellow humans?
She’s fucking broken just like the rest of them.
Why do we keep electing sellout Democrats who won’t even do their jobs? We haven’t even had a real primary in 17 years.
I’ll bite. Because on the whole they vote our positions more than the red team would. Are they a good fit for my politics? Nope, but they’re usually the least bad option in the general.
That said we need to primary these fucks every time.
To your latter point- if people show up to vote at all they don’t usually show up to primaries.
Wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which fills up first. People aren’t voting every single election and just hoping someone great shows up. Well newsflash- you gotta show up first.
To your latter point- if people show up to vote at all they don’t usually show up to primaries.
And this is the problem right here. You should be voting at least once a year and paying fucking attention to who the candidates are and their platform
We have a similar problem in Canada. A lot of us wanted to vote NDP but felt we had to vote liberal to avoid the risk of vote splitting leading to a conservative win. This problem could be avoided with ranked choice voting like they have in Australia, which our last prime minister promised to give us but he gave up on it.
You guys didn’t even get a primary last election lol they just picked Harris for you.
We did get a primary, I voted for Dean Phillips. It was a bullshit primary because they lied about and covered up Biden’s condition until it was too late to do anything about it, but we did have one.
That’s false. 48 states held a democratic primary. Only Delaware and Florida didn’t. Biden won something like 87% of the vote, it was a landslide. Then he stepped down and put his VP in. Had someone else won those 48 states, Harris would have never been on the ballot. If they did hold a vote in Delaware (Biden’s home state) and Florida, the results would be the same.
Wait really? Because I didn’t hear anything about that. Mind you I’m in Canada.
From those 48 states:
Bit of extra information. New Hampshire didn’t want to hold an official presidential primary for democrats so they didn’t put Biden on the ballot. As a write in he still wiped the floor against his opponent who was an option
The goal of primary is to grow the progressive wing as much as possible and eventually split to just being progressive. Even if we don’t get to that point we are a real threat to spoil, so we would get taken more seriously.
Bit late at this point tho. Now we have a bigger and more complicated fight without clear goals and leadership. Which is needed to follow up protests.
Because BNMW amirite?
I really enjoy that you have to put this in code now. Can’t openly state it. And still get largely downvoted for it.
It’s such a shitty, dishonest take. And people are finally waking up to it. Hindsight has always been 2020. And looking back I think plenty of people right now sorely wish we still had a Democrat in the oval office. Regardless of all the problems that we would still have. We wouldn’t have a full-on autocrat on the March in our own country as well. And might actually be able to focus completely on what’s going on over in Palestine instead of having to split our resources now on more fronts. Including local.
I’m not defending Or absolving democrats of their part in this. They’re still not learning. Just like you’re still not learning. And just as much as the Democrats are not an ally of the left or the people in general. Neither is someone like you who actively campaigned against our best interest. Helping to get the worst possible outcome elected. Simply because the other option was not perfect enough.
“Not perfect enough” is such a stupid way to phrase that.
No yours is the dishonest take. You’re defending the rot at the core of the Democratic party, when it’s that very rot that prevents them from an easy path to victory in elections, and speeds our progress towards fascism.
MLK was right when he said that the true enemy of progress in this world were those who would ask us to suffer an unjust peace instead of accepting the righteous tension required to bring about change.
We’re here because we were told, by people like you, that we needed to accept less from Democrats because the alternative was worse. And we listened, for decades. And as a result both Democrats and their alternative both got worse, to the point that The Democratic party is at its lowest favor ability in almost a hundred years.
So miss me with your anemic, shown to be losing, approach to politics
I’m not defending the rot. I literally called you and them both out. But you’ve never been honest so why would you start now. We could do a lot more to take care of it if there was a democrat in office right now and we weren’t having to struggle to keep Ukraine from being steamrolled and our allies betrayed domestic and foreign. All the families now being ripped apart. Simply because Biden was not good enough for you simply because Harris was not good enough for you. You and your useless Purity tests.
Oh and nice selective quoting of Martin Luther King Jr. there. Don’t let yourself think that slipped by. But I’ll tell you one thing. While King was correct to call that out. You know what he didn’t do. He didn’t stop trying to seek alliances where he could to change things when possible. Martin Luther King Jr didn’t rely on Purity tests. Not like you. People are right to have a lot of regret. Things weren’t perfect. But they were better. And hopefully they will learn from all this purity testing. But letting the perfect be the enemy of the achievable is always a bad position.
I’ve never told anyone to accept less from the democrats. In fact I regularly tell people to primary them everywhere and Republicans as well. The simple fact is when it comes to national elections like the presidency. It will either be a Republican or a Democrat that wins. And while neither one is good. One is certainly much much worse. As shameful as it was. Palestine wasn’t on the ballot in the presidential election. But blatant fascism was. And while Democrats I think did the Lions share to hurt themselves. People with purity test like yours did no service either.
But you do you. Tell yourself what you need to to absolve yourself of any role in the problems we’re now facing in america. Build as many straw men as you like. People see you. And they’re not liking what they see.
Purity tests?! THEY WERE SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE! American liberals have lost their absolute minds.
And so we’re republicans. The genocide in Palestine literally was not on the ballot. No matter who won it was going to continue.
The only thing that was on the ballot was whether we were going to bring the genocide home and make it worse or not. Spoiler.
Now not only are we not having the minimal to no pushback against Israel that we had before. We have Trump actively enabling Israel and pushing to go to war in Iran. The worst possible option. And the Democrats definitely did plenty to bring it on themselves. But a lot of people were manipulated into turning the genocide in Palestine into an attack issue specifically against democrats. So effectively. That a number of Palestinians voted for Trump thinking he would be better about Palestine.
A system where literal genocide “is not on the ballot” is a wholly irredeemable system. Please understand that democrats are as responsible for Trumpism as republicans. Oh how people miss Obama, yet even with two terms in office, he failed to make any fundamental changes that could have prevented Trump. Democrats pose no credible opposition to republicans, because they are fundamentally incapable (unwilling) to address the problems we are facing. Basically the same foreign policy, and halfhearted reformist approaches to domestic issues. Republicans have all the wrong answers, but people see them fighting to implement them.
And would you say that situation has gotten better, or worse under the new administration?
You aren’t just defending the rot: you are the rot. And calling me dishonest when you’ve been in a state of perpetual gaslight for litterally years?
Fucking rich dude.
Litterally all I have done is that advocate that Democrats not use strategies shown to lose elections. Your brain interprets that as advocating against Democrats, and I’m sorry that I can’t take a time machine back to your 10th grade home home room teacher that Eldritch the apologist needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Show me once, where I advocated for people to not vote Democrat in the 2024 election.
Your persistent and nefarious approach to politics, your constant efforts to silence important accurate and relevant criticism of Democrats, advocacy that is trying to get them to do better: Your the fucking problem with the Democrats.
Shielding Biden from criticism during an election cycle threw the election for Democrats. Shielding Harris from criticism when she didn’t shift policies from Biden lost the election for Democrats.
Gaslighting people to deny the evidence of their eyes and ears will continue to lose Democrats elections.
Democrats can’t win elections using your approach. We ran the experiment. We have the data. You were the fucking problem.
Biden was not good enough for you simply because Harris was not good enough for you. You and your useless Purity tests.
Genocide apologia.
But letting the perfect be the enemy of the achievable is always a bad position.
You heard it here! Genocide is “good”.
But blatant fascism was.
Clearly not, because the Democrats policy on Palestine was blatant fascism
People see you. And they’re not liking what they see.
Your boos mean nothing, we’ve seen what makes you cheer
And might actually be able to focus completely
You had that chance for over a year, you spent my defending Bidens participation in genocide
Simply because the other option was not perfect enough.
Imagine describing “active participation in a modern Holocaust” as “not perfect enough”
