Florida Republican Representative Kat Cammack was widely criticized after opening up to reporter Tara Palmeri about having trouble accessing abortion for an ectopic pregnancy in Florida after she helped pass a six-week abortion ban in the state.
Cammack told the Wall Street Journal that she faced delays in receiving treatment for a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy shortly after Florida’s six-week abortion ban took effect in May 2025.
Cammack blamed those delays not on the law itself but on what she described as misleading messaging from abortion-rights advocates that had made healthcare workers fearful of legal repercussions, telling the Journal:
“It was absolute fearmongering at its worst. There will be some comments like, ‘Well, thank God we have abortion services,’ even though what I went through wasn’t an abortion.'"
What a fucking cunt, she should have died
Dying of an ectopic pregnancy to own the libs, at least we could respect the consistency.
Downvoted by one coward.
The cowards downvoting that comment would be perfectly okay with some poor black woman dying. But she’s white so she should get to live.
She certainly seems to have been willing to see other women suffer that fate.
Rules for thee, not for me
Damn, if only the life threatening part was successful.
Another great example of why people who show no capacity for empathy should be shunned from society until they change. She cries about her own abortion, but how many women have already died before she decided to shed a tear for herself?
Shunning people is by definition not an empathetic action, so your plan to increase the average empathy of society falls apart pretty much immediately. Ironically, building empathy requires the opposite of shunning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Empathy is part of the social contract, and when someone violates that social contract they are no longer protected by it. Empathy for the unempathetic is exactly the same as tolerating the intolerant. It leads to the death of the very principle we are trying to espouse.
Beat me to it. Good work
A Knights Tale meme? Awesome.
Lmao, did you make that? I love that movie
Found it randomly and saved it to use when appropriate.
We do not have to coddle the intolerant, the violent, the liars and thieves. They are breaking the social contract but expecting to be protected by it still. They deserve neither succor or shelter from it.
If you don’t make people realize they are stupid and shitty, they often remain shitty (even if you literally tell them). Shunning sometimes works, and if it doesn’t affect them, then their children are less likely to behave the same way. Empathy works if all parties are open to change, which unfortunately isn’t a guarantee.
The paradox of tolerance is surprisingly easy to solve.
“Make the logic sound with one weird exception trick” ?
It’s a core part of the logic. Not some exception. The logic doesn’t work without it. If to be tolerant you must tolerate intolerance. Then there is no such thing as tolerance. Just apathy.
No one is trying to make these people feel empathy. The time to be taught that was childhood by loving, kind, emotionally available parents. That ship has long sailed. At this point we have to aim for shame and embarrassment if there is any hope to make those that are ok with these fucked up policies have an ounce of self reflection that might make them realize these shitty decisions affect them too. If they are going to be selfish cunts, we can at least educate them so they aren’t dumb selfish cunts.
/you’ve_been_shunned
It’s kind of impossible to have empathy for someone who doesn’t have empathy. Once you try to put yourself in their shoes, that’s you being empathetic and, as such, failing to put yourself in their shoes. It’s like trying to “win” The Game, the act of trying to win causes you to lose.
Shunning, however, is absolutely an empathetic act when done to someone who society has deemed incompatible (which is very few people all told, most just need a hug), especially when considering all the other varied and violent methods humankind has developed for dealing with these sorts of issues over the millenia. Not only is shunning vastly more empathetic than torture, rape, dismemberment, etc., it’s also more empathetic to society as a whole to have that person removed.
Personally disagree. Empathy doesn’t necessarily mean agreeing, it can also mean understanding why the other person is thinking like that, while still disagreeing with them.
Being clear, I agree that shunning is the correct path, but it’s not because “you can’t have empathy for people who lack it”, it’s exactly because you understand that if you don’t shun them, they’re never going to change. The utopic end goal is that people understand why they’re being shunned and start rethinking their choices. Of course, if they don’t and they want to keep being shunned that’s still a positive for society, but we should still hope for them to change. It’s sort of like the (stated, unfortunately not factual) purpose of prison.
Yeah, I was referring to people who literally are incapable of empathy, the people you’re talking about just need to learn to exercise it. That’s what I meant by the parenthetical in my comment about how most people just need a hug.
I… don’t know how I missed that parentheses, sorry if I basically reiterated what you already said lol
In any case though, I still don’t believe in the existence of people physically incapable of empathy (well, outside of some mentally ill ones who lack more than just empathy), it’s just that some people are in a position where they’re never gonna realistically need to learn it in their entire lives.
No worries, you definitely added another perspective! But yeah, those mentally ill ones are the ones I’m talking about. Like the president of the United States, I simply can’t put myself in a place where I can truly understand his motives or what causes him to be the way that he is. The more I try, the less I want to. And this isn’t to say all, or even most, mentally ill people should just be locked up or completely forced from society, but there does reach for a point for a very select few where rehabilitation and societal reintegration are simply impossible, and the most empathetic thing that can be done for everyone involved is to stop trying.
Eh, in all honesty I think Trump isn’t that far off from the mindset of most corrupt politicians around the world, he’s just more blatant, less smart and has WAY more power. If you try putting yourself in the mindset of “I benefit from doing this and I have a HUGE cult of people that like that I’m doing this”, it makes sense.
The only reason I think rehabilitation is not viable for him (besides, as I said, him being in a position where it’s impossible to make him face consequences), is because he’s really old and I don’t know if his brain is still capable of completely reshaping his thoughts. But I’m convinced that all the other “younger” terrible people (Musk, Tate, Shapiro and so on) could actually change if the whole world stopped giving them attention/praise and started saying “Hey, what you’re saying is fucked up and nobody likes you. We don’t want you in our society”. Of course, that’s a gigantic “if” because unfortunately they all have their own cult of people thinking they’re the messiah which constantly boosts their ego, but one can dream.
It’s an abortion until it’s MY abortion, then it’s life saving medical care.
If only politicians weren’t the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet, they could have written the law to explicitly allow medically necessary lifesaving treatments. But noooooooooo
I wonder what her world smells like, ya know, with her head up her ass and all
“what I went through wasn’t an abortion.”
Wooooow. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
The procedures are often the same. A D&C is a D&C, whether it’s used to deliberately abort a viable fetus or to clean out an unviable fetus. It literally means to Dilate the cervix (so the doctor can see inside and get their instruments in there) & Curratage (use a tool to scrape tissue out of the uterus).
Or popping a pill to expel a fetus, viable or otherwise. Mifeprestone then Misoprostol vs Methotrexate then Misoprostol. In both cases, the first drug stops development, and the second drug expels the fetus.
In all of these cases, you’re aborting the fetus. The context changes, the act is the same.
Wait until she learns about ectopic pregnancies…
Doesn’t sound like she learned anything though
She had an ectopic pregnancy. That’s why she needed an abortion, which she got (because it’s okay when it’s for me) but she’s complaining about the fact that fear of prosecution under HER law made pharmacies unwilling to provide the necessary pills. It’s the fact that it wasn’t in her uterus that she’s using to claim it “wasn’t an abortion.”
Back in the day, your birth tally, as recorded for every childbearing woman, terminations were terminations. 3 miscarriages? 3 terminations. 3 abortions? 3 terminations. 2 miscarriages and one abortion? 3 terminations. That’s not political, that is the neutrality (ideally) of medicine.
Gravida: # of times pregnant Para: # of pregnancies that reached viable gestation, alive or not. Termination: # of losses previable
So this gal, if it was her only pregnancy, would be G1, P0, T1 by that system.
That’s when I was in school. I’m not in OB, but now they use GTPAL (you guys can look it up in total). I cannot find the year of the switch. But know older terminology may be referenced by some people.
The P is preterm. Births between 20-37wks, live or stillborn.
The A is abortion, and includes ALL losses before 20wks. Your body can self abort due to issues with the fetus. A lot of early miscarriages are like that, and, often happen on a toilet. GASP
By the newer GTPAL system, this gal would be (assuming this was her only pregnancy): G1, T0, P0, A1, L0
Note that A1 is Abortion: 1.
I feel no joy in this. For me, it simply is, but this gal will likely continue to see it as something else.
Took me too long to come up with L =Live births.
Yeah but all that sounds so complicated and it’s easier to just say it’s all the same and it’s all “murder”
She didn’t get it “because it’s okay when it’s for me”
She got it because it is a life-threatening condition that Florida’s anti-abortion laws do take into account, unlike some other states.
However, doctors are so afraid of the law she supported that before they act they are compelled to document as much as possible and test and test.
Additionally
and either (1) two physicians so certify this conclusion “in [their] reasonable medical judgment” in writing, or (2) a single physician certifies that the risks are “imminent” and “another physician is not available for consultation.”12 “Reasonable medical judgment” is defined as “a medical judgment that would be made by a reasonably prudent physician
If I were a physician I would almost always wait for the 2nd physician to sign off before allowing a Florida court judge me.
She got treatment exactly as prescribed by the law
https://abortiondefensenetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Florida.pdf
What I meant was not that she was allowed to get it, of course the law was written to allow a bare minimum of protection for the life of the mother. And I have edited because I should have said hesitant rather than unwilling. They did give her the pills.
My point was that she chose not to die for her beliefs, but instead carved out a nonsensical mental exception for herself by denying that the abortion was an abortion. When push came to shove, she chose to have her fetus (embryo? I bet she lied about it only being 5 weeks) killed instead of letting it die naturally and probably kill her in the process.
Which, by the way, is the only sane decision and yet it’s the one she denies.
of course the law was written to allow a bare minimum of protection for the life of the mother
Yeah, I got some bad news about that.
Basically 6 states (Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, South Dakota, and Wisconsin) have no provision to protect the health of the pregnant person. They only have provisions to protect the life of the mother. The issue is it’s so poorly written in many states they have to wait until the mother is actively dying to act.
Ectopic pregnancies are deadly, eventually. They can stay in place for weeks without actually killing the woman. It’s well documented that in many states women have been told to wait in the parking lot until the condition became severe enough that it was life threatening.
I’m well aware. It’s so brutal that saying it’s barbaric is unfair to barbarians. Fortunately for her, Florida wasn’t on that list. In the terrible past, a woman could say “I’ll kill myself if I have to continue this pregnancy,” which would allow the doctor to act to save her life. In the more-terrible present, the draconian laws are written to prevent any such acts of humanity. The thumb is pushing so hard on the scale towards the “baby” rather than the woman (who has no value except as a mother) that the laws are indeed poorly written, on purpose.
Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying!
Its religious fundamentalism, aka, structured and mandated persistent irrational delusions, anti-reality cult member behavior
When you realize these people just are a kind of insane that isn’t recognized as a mental disorder because you can still work a wage slave job while having it… … and because its broadly popular … everything starts to make more sense.
America was founded by mostly a mixture of petty criminals and their descendants, and religious nutjobs, and their descendants.
… if you abandon the melting pot / tapestry of differences with a backbone of principles … idea of America… you revert back to old habits and entrenched norms and material power structures.
Welcome to 'murica, where everything is made up and the definition of words don’t matter!
Except that this is defined in the law, this is why healthcare providers are advised by their legal teams not to do it.
I believe in either Florida or Texas (I don’t remember which. Probably both tbh) it’s considered murder to get an abortion and can be punishable by death penalty. Fucking arsehats
“We care about life so much that if you are about to die due to complications and you have an abortion we will kill you.”
I guess at least with leathal injection it will most likely be less painful than dying in childbirth.
Nah, they don’t give a fuck after you’re born. But before? LIFE IS PRECIOUS! Except mothers who need an abortion, for reasons as ectopic pregnancies etc. oh, wait. Those aren’t abortions* apparently. At least according to Kat
They’ve decided that if you’ll die if you don’t get it then it’s not an abortion, because abortions are elective. No, this is not a real medical distinction; It’s the same surgery.
You’re close but it’s actually
“They’ve decided that if I die if I don’t get it then it’s not an abortion, for everyone else it is an abortion”
Small distinction I know but it makes a world of difference.
You could likely actually trim it up a bit to a more simple
“If I get it, it’s not an abortion”
The only moral abortion is her own
Only whores and trollops would have an abortion. This is a life saving procedure! /s
it couldn’t have been an abortion, there was no satanic priest in a hooded black robe, goat skull headdress, and ritual dagger
And nobody ate the “baby” I guess?
What a waste.
It’s only a real abortion if you believe it in your heart.
I knew it was a comicsands link as soon as I saw the word slammed.
Someone abort this idiot.
They tried… her mom had a drinking problem and became pregnant with her when she was just a teen. Then after suffering a stroke her mom was advised by doctors and family to abort the pregnancy due to the health risks posed to mother and child.
Her mom offcourse ignored the adults in the room and the US was then blessed with Kat, who proudly presents her redneck origin tale when explaining why she feels woman and children should be made to suffer.
I wish it killed her.
I have a better example. Someone who didn’t do it to herself. Here’s someone who lost even more and it wasn’t her own fault.
A religious hospital refused critical ectopic pregnancy care. Now the patient is suing.
Fuck that maga piece of shit. I won’t be sad when she dies.
Also Roe v wade was overturn on the bases that women have no right to privacy when seeing the doctor. The main argument was no one should know what you and your doctor decided is best for you. But Republicans want a Priest to look at CT scan along side the DA and doctor just to make sure no women is getting an abortion.
This seems to be the playbook, every time. Magas blame medical staff, not the laws.
Licensing is rigorous and as a medical professional, you’re allowed 1 license a lifetime. A doctor spends 12yrs of their life becoming a doctor, goes $200k+ in debt to get there, and these MAGAs talk like they expect doctors to interpret law instead of medicine.
The law says no, so either the doctor doesn’t do it, or they leave the state and practice in one that allows them to make medical decisions for their patients instead of a lawyer with religion sitting in public office.
Let’s not forget the doctor that was publically threatened for legally performing an abortion on a child of 13yrs who had been raped and impregnated by her rapist. The child was from a state where abortion was illegal.
She also acts like the “fear mongering” from medical staff had no basis in reality when there have been women denied medical treatment and forced to let sepsis set in while waiting in the parking lot or teenagers getting arrested for having miscarriages and not knowing what they’re supposed to do.
She also acts as if the laws weren’t written explicitly in defiance of established medical opinion (and biblical opinion for that matter).
i forgot which politician, but when an older gop on camera(my abortion was murder, but she still had it and support antiabortion)
Whoa, do her constituents know she is a radicalized abortionist! /s
Gods Will has been violated!!!
“…even though what I went through wasn’t an abortion.”
Wait, so the baby was not…you know…’aborted’?
Let’s at least put quotemarks around “baby,” which is not accurate, but acceptable usage here because it’s what she would have called it while pushing for the 6-week limit. What she aborted was a fetus, as it would be for any woman.
Well, that’s exactly the point a physician, a political reader or just about any other rational actor would’ve made. But extremists don’t care about dialogue. Or facts for that matter.
Kat, and others like her, are fundamentally broken people. People who never overcame their flawed personalities or poor upbringing. But who instead came to believe that their character flaws or poor life choices are actually commendable. And that their apparent failures are the result of being rejected or sabotaged by the ‘other’.
They only need food, water, shelter and feeling persecuted to survive.
even though what I went through wasn’t an abortion
It definitely was. Even the Catholics will agree it was an abortion. So now both sides hate you.
