I can’t eat fiber without getting really sick. I just get really tired and in a lot of pain. Butt scope was all clear. I see the rheumatologist in a few months. I suspect it’s pinching a blood vessel somewhere.
You can tell when you go out to eat at lots of cheaper places. Order a plate with barely any veggies on it. No, an iceberg lettuce with a fatty dressing on it does not count!
Bruh it’s 19 to 38 GRAMS of fiber. Like an ounce. We aren’t getting an OUNCE of fiber a day.
Don’t fucking gatekeep fiber. If it’s a green vegetable literally swimming in ranch it’s better than eating fries or whatever protein bullshit they’re pairing everything with these days.
except they aren’t gatekeeping fiber, iceberg lettuce doesn’t have a significant amount of fiber in it at all. In fact, it has a similar amount of fiber as french fries. To meet fiber goals you really need to be eating beans and whole grains.
Jesus I thought you were wrong, and you are, but only because it has about half the fiber of like, McDonald’s French fries.
What good is lettuce?! It’s soggy and disgusting and it’s not even that GOOD for you?!
Fresh lettuce adds crunch to a salad and has lots of water. But yeah, by itself it does not bring a lot of value.
Carnivore gets rid of that. Fiber can cause some issues in some, especially to those who are on a carnivore diet. I did it for a while, and I was healthier than when I had fiber (my body isn’t really designed for fiber anyway).
If you read the guidelines this paper is referencing : https://www.nationalacademies.org/read/10490/chapter/9 You will see that fibre is not a essential nutrient, rather it ameliorates the effects of poor food/nutrition. I highly recommend reading the guideline directly, it is fascinating, especially the physiological effects section
The guideline is based heavily on epidemiology, in fact the only RCT on fibre consumption I’m aware of shows fibre is a causal factor in constipation : https://doi.org/10.3748/wjg.v18.i33.4593
If your eating whole foods, adding fibre isn’t going to do much for you because your food is nutritious. If your eating food that is bad for you, fibre is going to help because it reduces the amount of bad food you absorb… but my take away from this would be to avoid eating the bad food entirely
The one compelling benefit i’ve seen argued is that fibre is broken down into SCAs in intestines which is good for health, but this can also be achieved by eating low carb, intermittent fasting, etc.
Massive constipation, explains the current politics.
This shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone; we already knew Americans were full of shit!
Ba-dum, pssh!
Does this connect with the American thing about coffee making them shit?
That isn’t a fiber effect. The coffee is stimulating peristalsis.
But is peristalsis not being stimulated enough normally due to lack of fibre?
Probably more that people drink coffee first thing in the morning and also shit shortly after getting up.
Uff, I ate a potato and 2 cups of carrots last night and I still didn’t get enough fiber to meet the daily need.
It’s sad that my first reaction was “are we sure we’re posting “scientific” results from the us govt?”, and my second reaction was was “phew, 15 years old so it should be true”
But it is old data and I’d like to know if anything has changed.
- Maybe there’s trends: I eat more vegetables than I did back then although still nowhere near enough.
- Marketing has generated a lot more fiber claims for things like breads and cereals. Is that real? Enough to make a difference?
So for me personally I eat more veggies although still not enough and the bread and cereal I eat talks a lot about fiber. Are there any such trends and are they enough to make any difference?
Good source of information here: https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fiber/
Beans. I know on Lemmy beans are memes, but beans are how to get enough fiber each day. 2 cups of cooked beans has the total fiber you need for a day, and it’s hard to get there without beans.
It takes about 3 -5 cups of cooked veggies to get the fiber that is in one cup of beans. So 1 cup of cooked beans and some greens with supper, a big salad for lunch and oatmeal with raspberries and yogurt for breakfast would get you there. And should leave room calorie wise for some meat and bread or rice or pasta.
My kids make fun of me for making beans for so many meals but delicious, cheap, healthy, they are an ideal food.
what are your two most common bean preps/recipes?
- Mexican black beans (with tomato paste and chili and onions)
- Hummus
Refried pinto beans we eat with breakfasts or in burritos.
Black beans from cans, reheated with some cumin, salt, pepper, vinegar or jalapeno brine. My family (except for me) prefers black beans above all others.
Bonus easy recipe - get a can of cannelini beans and a can of pureed butternut squash or pumpkin. Heat these together with some olive oil, curry or berbere, salt. When they are hot, hit it with an immersion blender until it’s a puree and adjust the consistency to your preference with chicken broth, veg broth, or just water is ok.
Serve with lime slices, pepitas, queso fresco if you have it or a splash of cream or sour cream can also be good.thank you, I’ve been meaning to work beans in more often
convenient that I just got an immersion blender
Other fun ideas: fried eggs with lima beams and tumeric. All in the pan together, the beans will merge into the egg whites and get a bit crispy if done right.
Bean curries are always a winner.
And don’t forget garbanzo beans (chickpeas) and lentils!
The easiest is just to make a stock periodically with leftover trimmings and then make black beans in the instant pot.
Dump a can of black beans in a pot, unrinsed and undrained. Add adobo seasoning. Serve over rice. I am white.
Came to say this: BEANS!!!
Just add half a can to every meal you eat while you look for some nice recipes.My kids make fun of me for making beans for so many meals but delicious, cheap, healthy, they are an ideal food.
If only I could agree. I cannot atomach the taste or texture of beans. I just cannot. I would love to eat them for the fiber and protein and all the good stuff but I just hate the taste so much.
Have you tried roasted chickpeas (garbanzos)? Also there is a chickpea flour that is used in Indian food. Not that this would be enough to get you the 2 cups or anything, but they are some much different tasting/feeling preparations that you might like ok or enjoy. Also the pumpkin soup I posted - the puree hides in that soup, nobody thinks it’s beans, the pumpkin is so strong of flavor the beans just cut that so it’s good not ungodly sweet.
I can imagine not liking beans, they do have a specific, really lovely to me, smooth and thick texture. The flavor I can’t really imagine not liking all of them, they are pretty different from each other.
Plenty of other foods have fiber just not as efficient as beans, you would have to eat a lot more to hit that health target.
Have you tried roasted chickpeas (garbanzos)?
Better than beans still not the biggest fan.
Also the pumpkin soup I posted - the puree hides in that soup, nobody thinks it’s beans, the pumpkin is so strong of flavor the beans just cut that so it’s good not ungodly sweet.
Is that soup post somewhere in your other posts or comments? But I have a feeling I won’t like that either since I have never liked pumpkin soup.
Call me picky whatever but it seems hard to get fiber unless it’s stuff I don’t like. Would love to find a fiber rich food that tastes good or barely has taste.
Enjoyment is an important part of healthy eating, and I believe simply not overeating is at least 75% of healthy eating, so wouldn’t really worry about it that much.
The soup is in this thread higher up, hardly a recipe it’s so easy - I don’t really like squash or sweet potatoes but love that soup, all the toppings.
Oh! I remembered this one too, might be more tasty to you if you are into cooking, my family keeps asking for it, but it’s not a weeknight thing, have to pull out the blender. Sopa Tarasca, at the bottom of this link. I have made it with canned beans and tomatoes and it’s just as good.
https://www.npr.org/2009/11/04/120062592/foods-of-michoacan-are-forever
The last soup looks good. Might have to try making it once.
Jackfruit is my weapon of choice.
Love me some simple spicy baked beans! But I also eat tons of leafy greens, so I’m probably one of the 5%
This person How not to dies!
that sounds like it tastes gross.
Everything they described sounds pretty tasty to me, to be fair. Each to their own! They’re right about beans, too.
That’s what spices and seasonings are meant to alleviate.
Ground flax seed is also a great source of fiber. I put some in my yogurt every morning.
Beans are protein
That’s it? Only protein? Or are they more than meets the eye?
Next you’ll tell me they’re not a magical fruit!
And fiber
How tf do you people eat beans so often? The gas tears my intestines apart.
Different gut microbiome. Some people can eat beans all day and never make a toot. Others have one helping and are playing the entire wind section.
I guess just by eating them a lot my body adjusted?
Though I think also, you know how different bodies have different strengths and weaknesses - digestion seems to be my body’s strength, the one place I don’t usually have issues. Like no trouble eating meat after 20 years of vegetarian food, even. It doesn’t care. It’s weaknesses lie elsewhere.
Thats a good point. Time to time I muse about what foods are having impacts on me, and then reflect on how sugar heavy my diet is (for different reasons). Would be to my benefit to adjust my diet significantly, tough it out for a week or two of adaptation, and then hopefully reap the benefits without the whirlwind of increasing bean intake. Do those frequent bean eaters have a special source of those legumes? Do i need to make an under the table agreement at the local chinese grocery to get those dank dry beans versus buying Goya out of convenience…
Do you want fancy beans? Rancho Gordo online has fancy beans. They are, as they say, the leguminati.
For canned I use the ones from whole foods or go to specific ethnic markets. Chinese chefs use some crazy preparations I don’t usually like - fermented black beans ok in small amounts, but no no to red bean ice cream or any sweet preparation. And big no to Japanese natto, what are they even thinking?
But middle eastern markets have good canned favas, and spanish and italian markets here have lots of brands that aren’t Goya.
Liam on ticktock and YouTube would agree
…out of 10.
K-bye!
They’re obsessed with protein and don’t realise fibre is more important.
Beans: Why not both?
I think the bigger problem is the number of people who have never consumed a properly cooked vegetable, and as such they think they hate vegetables.
Nuked in the microwave canned green beans and boiled Brussel sprouts don’t create vegetable eaters.
It’s also that in America food defaults to ultra processed and often hyper palatable. Fiber is perfectly tasty in an apple or berries, but it’s often unpleasant in ultra processed foods and it’s bulk that doesn’t add to flavor, which reduces the palatability.
I do think though that the obsession with protein and fear of plant fat is currently making the problem worse. Had people been focused on beans as a protein source we’d likely be getting increased fiber, but people think protein == animal products and some are even encouraging complete elimination of plant and fungus from one’s diet. I’ve even seen one of those people on lemmy claim that fiber is bad for you.
Don’t forget our fascination with peanut butter. It’s on my top 3 foods list, provided it’s pure peanuts without the gross Crisco. Technically that’s jarred legume paste.
I didn’t realize peanuts were high fiber. I guess I don’t think of fiber as crunchy
Canned green beans are disgusting. The frozen or fresh versions are like a completely different thing in both taste and texture.
Yeah but lot’s of them are getting fiber optic which must count for something, right?
That goes in the wrong hole
PDF Link: Closing America’s Fiber Intake Gap: Communication Strategies From a Food and Fiber Summit https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6124841/pdf/10.1177_1559827615588079.pdf
“Fiber intake recommendations from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) range from 19 grams to 38 grams per day, depending on gender and age.” 9. Institute of Medicine, Food and Nutrition Board. Dietary Reference Intakes: Energy, Carbohydrates, Fiber, Fat, Fatty Acids, Cholesterol, Protein and Amino Acids. Washington, DC: National Academies Press; 2005.
Seems like the minimum might be wrong then.
Nah
Being someone who has to consume high fibre, as part of a medical condition, I cannot stress this enough: DRINK WATER, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD DRINK MORE WATER THAN YOU USUALLY DO!!!
Hydration is badass
In this case hydration can lead to a rather good ass, as well.
Americans don’t drink water. They go to Michelin star restaurants and order a cola.
Anyone who needs to be reminded to drink water deserves a Darwin award.
When you consume a high fibre diet, you require more water than usual. Depending on the body type, it can be difficult to ascertain just how much water someone needs to consume.
If you drink a normal amount of water on a constantly high fibre diet, you can tear your anus doing a big poo. There is no nicer way to say it.
This gave me a genuine laugh, thanks haha.
What does that accomplish? Selecting for people with higher thirst? Imo, is it really that valuable to push instincts over logic and memory?
Joke’s on you, buddy. At least I have an award
Part of the hijacking of our bodies by processed food and sugar is that many of us literally cannot discern the subtle feeling of dehydration from the more intense feelings of “wanting to eat something high glycemic” plus all that sugar requires more water. So, I can see how today we’re struggling with hydration more than in the past, when bodies were more fit and adjusted to whole foods and healthier routines.
